I told you so

tfdesign

Those posts sat there for ever. Google had an opportunity to remove them. It was beyond me at the time how they couldn't see the logic in removing the posts.
What point were they trying t make?

So it never occurred to you that a video as disturbing as this may actually be 'educational' to others? I suppose that you suggest that all looney neo-nazi propaganda being pulled down too? It's important, even if they are disturbing, that videos like these are up there. They obviously strike some sort of emotional in you right? Well they should! However, if you pulled them, how would anyone be able to make or form any kind of opinion or judgement for themselves? I haven't seen this particular video, but I saw much of the neo-nazi nonsense on youtube a few years back before it was pulled. I, like most I would imagine, just laughed at it. It was pathetic. Most of the electorate are sensible enough to know that the people who make these films are idiots, but then failing to give them a platform (which seems to be the norm in the UK), would also be hypocritical, because essentially and ultimately that's what they would like to deny to us.

I want to make my mind up about these things, not to be dictated to by someone like yourself (or Italian prosecutors for that matter) that I can't. That's undemocratic.

Khai

also 2 months, which sounds right for a legal notice, is 'forever'?

@unknownuser said:

uploaded using a Google video site where it remained for nearly two months in late 2006
the article you linked....

way to much drama here...

xrok1

WHAT? are you guys saying that google owns youtube?

i'm going to upload some porn and see how long that stays up?

Anssi

I have to agree with modelhead here. A website is much more like a printed publication than a letter in the mail. This board here is something like a publication too, and it's owners are somewhat responsible for the material that appears here, especially if offensive or libellous material is allowed to remain after the owner has been notified.

But I think that with ISPs and network service providers, it is somewhat different, that they can "legitimately" claim that what passes through their hardware is not their responsibility, and too much monitoring from their part could even be considered a breach of privacy.

Anssi

xrok1

just one thing. where does it state that Youtube is a moral authority? i mean this is the internet people, should fucktube start placing black bars on everything or only allowing certain positions?

remus

@anssi said:

I have to agree with modelhead here. A website is much more like a printed publication than a letter in the mail. This board here is something like a publication too, and as it is owned and regulated by Google, it is somewhat responsible for the material that appears here, especially if offensive or libellous material is allowed to remain after the owner has been notified.

but google did remove it after being notified through the proper channels, and then subsequently helped to track down the offenders.

xrok, porn is a black and white issue for the most part. Abuse can be harder to distinguish.

bruce, with regards to your worries about encountering dodgy material, its not hard to do. If you dont go looking for it you most likely wont find it. for example, i can think of perhaps 2 occasions in 8 years that ive unwittingly stumbled on stuff i didnt want to see.

Khai

@unknownuser said:

@Khai...I do read your posts but I am not sure how to respond. For now my focus was on the link and how others had a similar view to mine....Not sure how this can be turned into a debate or thrashing session.
The "I told you so" part was just for effect I guess...? Didn't expect it to cause an uproar.

If your point is I'm an idiot....I've heard that before. I'm not moved by it.

no my point was you presented ONE part of the whole situation which made your points look their best. you ignored the rest of the facts. this does not make a balanced viewpoint.

as to you bring an idiot, I never said that or made that point. what you read is what you got. any hidden meanings you bring yourself.

Khai

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

no my point was you presented ONE part of the whole situation which made your points look their best. you ignored the rest of the facts. this does not make a balanced viewpoint.

Where did I do this...in the old post you mean, many months ago?

your first post where you didn't say that Google had removed the item, helped the police find and catch those that posted it. rather a glaring omission don't you think?

as to what kids should and should not see this is an old old argument.

for example, I know a 5 year old that watched a massacre on TV. hundreds dead in front of his eyes.

me, aged 5, watching Doctor Who - the Genesis of the Daleks.

it's not a new thing at all and something parents have struggled with for years.

Khai

also I think there's a side issue here thats not being addressed.

what happened in that video was terrible and a crime. not denying that.

but they recorded themselves doing it then posted it on the net.

now, let that sink in a minute. then consider, this is not an isolated case. the police round the world are making more and more arrests based on crimes recorded by the perps (normally kids / teens) and then them posting them online.

we've raised a generation of idiots.

Khai

if you didn't post it in your opening it's an omission. sorry. many ppl won't click the link and jsut read the post they see. fact of life I'm afraid in our quick quick quick culture.