Technics Turntable
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@tadema said:
It's such a shame when you spend so much time on a model/render and find everyone's a critic
JohnI disagree. While we should give praise for a project well done, it's also (IMO) our responsibility to our fellow modelers to honestly critique the work. When I post a model the purpose is not to fish for compliments (I've never taken compliments well). What I am looking for is somebody else's ideas on how I could have done it differently, or better, or at least areas where I did it badly, One thing I've noticed about these forums, people seem very reluctant to criticize other people's work. It should be done tactfully, of course, and the experience level of the modeler should be taken into consideration, and I know that not everyone will take criticism in the spirit it was intended, but sometimes it's very difficult to look at your own work objectively, and let's face it, you can't improve if you don't know where your shortcoming are.
I know that some people will take exception to these comments, maybe a lot of people, but this is just the way I feel so I thought I would throw it out there.
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@hellnbak said:
... (IMO) our responsibility to our fellow modelers to honestly critique the work. When I post a model the purpose is not to fish for compliments (I've never taken compliments well). What I am looking for is somebody else's ideas on how I could have done it differently, or better, or at least areas where I did it badly,
... sometimes it's very difficult to look at your own work objectively, and let's face it, you can't improve if you don't know where your shortcoming are.I know that some people will take exception to these comments, maybe a lot of people, but this is just the way I feel so I thought I would throw it out there.
i agree, sir.
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hellnbak, yes we all need others to look with fresh eyes but this is visualization, not photography. I know that no matter how much time and effort we put into our models, some renders never turn out as expected. 99.9% of people would not know what a Technics, model no.***** turntable looks like! but the render sure looks like a turntable to me.
I bet there's tens, maybe hundreds of members sitting on their first render, unsure to post, fearing it being ripped apart
on the smallest "mistake".
John -
Yeah, Rangerrick, I think I would opt for modeling the dots next time, or leave them out alltogether.
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Hmm, shouldn't I post this critism?
I think the render is excellent, the choice of material, the light, DOF and so on.
But the dots were the first thing I've seen and as I wrote, I'm working with this model for over 25 years now...
Personally, I post my pictures and renders here to get some constructive critcism and of course also compliments.
never the less. If this critisim isn't desired, I'm sorry for that.
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jo-ke, this was not meant at you personally, maybe I should have worded it differently. My point is, when I see a model/render of this quality and on it's first comment it's "criticized" (maybe wrong choice of word again), what chance is there of people ever taking the plunge and posting their first render. I've spoken to people who darn't post for this very reason! If people re-read my previous posts they will see the intended meaning.
Rick, sorry for hijacking your thread.
John -
Hi. I try to offer support and encouragement, as well as comment on aspects within my knowledge and skill. I believe this is infinitely more important. If I don't do much else, at least I help keep the thread up in the top of the list for others to notice. It is hard to determine what criteria is expected under which to comment. If my comments are not needed, I can refrain.
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I wasn't going to get back into this, but when someone like Mitcorb is doubting that his input is wanted or needed, I have to say something.
Mitcorb, your comments are needed, and I'm sure are much appreciated by the vast majority of people who use these forums. If somebody is going to take offense if it's suggested that the edge of the LP in his model might be improved a bit, that person should not be posting his models here (and I'm sure I'll get flack about that). He obviously wanted the turntable to be a faithful representation of the real thing, and the few "criticisms" (if they can be called that) were only suggestions to help him attain that level of accuracy.
The only one complaining about everybody "ripping apart" somebody's model was John. Rangerrick did not express any displeasure or threaten to never post another model, he thanked the people for their comments, and agreed with them. Kudos to you, Rangerrick
That's what this forum is all about, getting help with our SU projects and improving our techniques, and that's what it does best.
If someone is too afraid to post their first render for fear of receiving that type of help, then no, maybe he shouldn't post it. If he hasn't explored these forums enough to know that any suggestions are meant only to contribute to his overall SU abilities, if all he's looking for is a warm-fuzzy feeling, maybe he should restrict his audience to friends and family members, those that know nothing of SU and will offer only praise for the pretty picture. His abilities won't advance like they could, but he won't get "ripped apart".
He should wait until his abilities have advanced far enuf that the chances of getting "ripped apart" are minimized. Unfortunately, without help and advice from those with more experience, he might have to wait a very long time, and even then the chances will only be minimized, not eliminated.
Maybe we could work something out so that people posting a model to the forums could check a box so that anything other than praise and "wow ain't that great" are filtered out.
And I did say that it should be done tactfully, and that the modeler's level of experience should be taken into account. If it's somebody's first model, or render, of course it's not going to be perfect, and any comments or suggestions should take that into account. And the vast majority of the time they do, and they are careful to include praise for their efforts and the things they have done well. Admittedly there are some, a very small minority, that only want to show how much they know, and sometimes tend to throw their years of experience in a beginner's face. These instances are rare enough so as to be almost negligible though, and certainly rare enough that they should not be a factor when someone is trying to build up his courage to show his fellow modelers his first works.
Well, I'm sure I'll receive a good amount of flack for some of my comments, but I've only expressed how I feel about these "issues". And let's face it, "Politically Correct" has been taken to such extremes that nowadays you stand a good chance of getting flack no matter what you say.
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Oh, I forgot to ask - Rangerrick, did you take that name from a character on the "Red Green" show?
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and i thought vray was the only greatest render alive!! superb phtrealism.
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Well this certainly seems to have caused a stir. I'm not going to explain my comment again, I've already done that. How could I possibly upset mitcorb when his post followed mine. If my comments are so offensive to people then this will be my last.
take care,
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Hi, tadema- John:
Please continue posting your excellent work. I was simply responding because I thought something I mentioned was taken the wrong way. -
John,
It would be a loss to the Sketchucation community if you were to stop posting. I admire your work. We had a difference of opinion, we both expressed our views, and people will make of that what they will. That's what's makes our country so great, we can express our opinions freely (at least so far).
This type of thing rarely happens here on these forums, and maybe I'll be ostracized for stirring up trouble, but it's a subject I feel strongly about and I want these forums to be of maximum benefit to all of us.
If it comes down to one of us no longer posting here, it should probably be me. I'm a relative noobie here and I know I don't always express myself very well.
How about we digitally shake hands, put this behind us and move on.
Steve -
Hello everyone,
Rick, once again I apologise for your thread being hijacked, I would never have posted if I knew this would happen. On a brighter side, look at all the views your turntable has receivedmitcord, my post was never intended at anyone personally, especially you. It was a sweeping statement as was solo's posted just after mine "tough crowd....". Pete was a lot more diplomatic!. Please don't take anything personal, it was never meant that way.
hellnbak, I don't see anything you should feel you could be "ostracized" for. This has never been heated or abusive in any way, as you say personal opinion. Each member is entitled to his, no matter if it's post no.2 or 2000.
I sat on the sidelines here for two years before I posted my first render, exactly a year today!. In that time I've received many PM's/Emails asking for help or advice, doing my best to help everyone of them but... when I've asked why not post on the forum? almost every answer was "I'm not posting on the forum to be ridiculed".My whole point is, yes people will criticise and it's expected, but offer a solution also if possible.
Ok that's tuppence worth.
I've absolute no hard feelings towards any member here.take care
John -
Hi all,
I really like that render !
I also own 2 of these (excellent) turntables.
After a complete Sketchup rework, I rendered that model in 2009 using Kerkythea.
http://www.kerkythea.net/phpBB2/files/1200mk2_mlt_155passes_small_537.jpgConcerning the render we're talking about there is one little error :
the tonearm can't be in down position (needle touching the record) because the up/down lever command is up.
Very good work anyway !
Anar
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Hello mate! How can I download this model? Can't find the link anywhere. Thanks.
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I would take that one:
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it renders pretty good.
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I really like that effect, jo-ke
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just made another one
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Hi all - yes it's been a while that this post was started.
Since all the render results shown here are so fantastic, I had downloaded the turntable model for my own testing and playing. Finally I have also started a test render now and I´m linking this little experiment with my first testing of Twilight Render - I do not know what I'm doing exactly, but the result is encouraging me!
I didn´t find any suitable texture for a vinyl LP, so I made the LP - please do not laugh at me - as a model and I will post this LP-model (the Beatles Blue Album!) in the 3D-Warehouse - maybe someone can use it ...
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