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      cornel
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      @ Solo. You wonder: “What exactly is logic? Do animals have logic?
      Are babies born with logic? Is logic a result of human consciousness?”

      Laws of Logic are from God, because they reflect God’s ‘atributes’.
      Common man is not logical because he/she is bias, subjective, often called evil good and good evil, and so on...
      Animals are not logical... “Logic”, involves spirit, and animals have no it... They have a developped intuition, with certain specific...
      Human babies are born with a pale (‘dull’) logic. For example they have imprinted on their consciousness the eternal existence of them...

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        cornel
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        @ ’Jeff H’. Your question was: „Am I going to hell or not?”

        Christ Jesus, the Lord, said: “He who obey My word and believes in Him (in God) who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into true life.”
        If you do not meet His requirement, you will go to hell! It is your choice...

        There is no a 3rd way...!

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          Box
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          I'd like to express my thanks to you Cornel for restoring my faith.
          Your erudite arguments, your deft use of the scriptures and your clear and fulsome explanations have brought me to a new level of understanding.
          I had begun to doubt, I was falling by the wayside, Satan was tempting more and more every day, but through you I have once again been brought into the light and I see clearly now, more than ever before.
          So thank you once again for making me truly believe in the importance of asylums and the selfless people who work in them.

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            srx
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            @unknownuser said:

            @ ’Jeff H’. Your question was: „Am I going to hell or not?”

            Christ Jesus, the Lord, said: “He who obey My word and believes in Him (in God) who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into true life.”
            If you do not meet His requirement, you will go to hell! It is your choice...

            There is no a 3rd way...!

            I don't think this is IF AND ONLY IF statement...and also IMO a person is his own judge...making the mix of hell and paradise in his soul...I also believe that God is the source of this ballast of self judgment, for both atheist and theist. Science can not explain it as far as I know. 💭 Maybe human soul is the universe of its own, of unlimited complexity. It contains all the worlds, seen and unseen. If it is of unlimited complexity, than it has to be connected to the wholeness of the Universe in some part. The fact is that if you look in macro cosmos you see no end...also if you look in micro cosmos. WORLD HAS OPEN ENDS. It has no beginning, and no end. Having that in mind it is not important where on that eternal scale is human soul. It could be anywhere. When we know that time is not linear, than we could say that God is creating World even now, and also He is doing this trough us.
            Sorry for being subjective 😄

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              cornel
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              @ ’Box’. Many blessings to you!
              “Cast all your anxiety on Him because He cares for you. Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith…” (1 Peter 5:7-9)… and the reward will be great!

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                cornel
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                ‘srx’ wrote: “I don't think this is IF AND ONLY IF statement...”

                “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.”, Jesus Christ said...

                “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”, Jesus Christ also said...
                (Conclusion need not!)

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                  Rich O Brien Moderator
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  “My country is the world and my religion is to do good.” — Thomas Paine

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                    cornel
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                    @ ’Solo’. “He who is not with Me is against Me”, only God can say, because He is omniscient...
                    When a person/a group uses such a formulation, it is a “scary” monster.
                    Communists used it, Antichrist will use it...

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                      Alan Fraser
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                      @unknownuser said:

                      @ 'Alan F’. Do not exagerate! I did not 'TOTALLY" dismiss what you have argued. Read carefully each of my sentence, until now…!

                      I'm not exaggerating...and you do dismiss everything that doesn't fit in with your utterly deluded fantasies.
                      Radiations (whatever you mean by that) don't change. It's a fundamental principle of physics. Radioactive decay is totally impervious to any change in conditions short of the extremes found in the centre of some stars.

                      As for the rest of what you've written, it makes no sense at all. What different configurations of the earth? Radiocarbon dating can only work as far back as 60,000 years; and there is absolutely no evidence for either the earth itself being reconfigured during that time...or the atmosphere. This isn't guesswork; paleo atmospheres have been preserved in the air pockets trapped in the ice cores taken from the polar caps. Our atmosphere has had precisely the same ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 for at least the last 100,000 years. Why do you persist in preferring fantasy over hard facts.

                      And while we are at it, what's an Evolutionist when he's at home? Is that something like a Gravityist? The theories of Gravity and Evolution merely explain the processes. The processes themselves are observable fact and are quite indifferent to whether you accept the theories or not.

                      If it wasn't for the fact of your constant attempts to spread your deluded philosophy on the Net, you'd be a pitiable figure.

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                      Were you required to walk 500 miles? Were you advised to walk 500 more?
                      You could be entitled to compensation. Call the Pro Claimers now!

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                        cornel
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                        Rather he was under the influence of alcohol, or else...
                        Maybe he wanted to imitate a communist leader...
                        Ask him!

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                          solo
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                          Off topic: Cornel, who do you favor in the Republican candidates?

                          http://www.solos-art.com

                          If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                            cornel
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                            @ ’Solo’. I’m not an U.S. citizen.
                            Promote someone who has respect for God, for people and to himself (in a good way....)!

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                              boofredlay
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                              I thought Texas was another country. 😄
                              At least it felt that way when I lived there.

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                                solo
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                                @unknownuser said:

                                I thought Texas was another country. 😄
                                At least it felt that way when I lived there.

                                Oh yeah it certainly is, crazy place, strange people, but friendly and respectful, except for the religion and politics it's a brilliant place.

                                http://www.solos-art.com

                                If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                  Bep
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                                  No !

                                  "History is written by the winners"

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                                    cornel
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                                    @ ’Solo’. I’m a simple realistic Canadian, not a “strange fundamentalist”...

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                                      Box
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                                      fun·da·men·tal·ism (fnd-mntl-zm)
                                      n.

                                      1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

                                      Seems to fit.

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                                        cornel
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                                        “Seems to fit”, and does NOT..., because the ‘healthy’ meaning of that term is now degenerated... For many, being a Fundamentalist means to be narrow, fanatic, and so on.
                                        I am just a Christian, without ‘tail’...!

                                        How about you, 'Solo' ?!

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                                          cornel
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                                          ‘Solo’, to believe in both, that socialists say and that atheists say, you have to be a great believer, a very religious guy,
                                          manifesting faithful devotion...

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                                            cornel
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                                            @ 'Solo'.

                                            1. Socialism “require beliefs”... You think you are your own god, and, by through your advice, your will, your energy, your time, your money, etc., you can help others, “when and where you can”... You are based on YOU, instead to be based on God...
                                              In fact, Humanists, Illuminists, Socialists, Communists, etc., all think about the same (different ‘color’ only), and they do not realize that they are actually various forms of Apostasy, and Antichrist will bring them together, in one ideology, because he will come with the same slogans...

                                            2. Atheism is an huge illusion - everyone believes in something...
                                              What you put in your first place, to be the most important, vital for you, that is your god...!

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