Libya
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How are they doing it over and over again when the most of the people are against it? People easy forget their government's wars when enjoying the war chase in their everyday lives...
But the bombed ones never forgets. -
Hungary is staying out of this European action now - not as if our forces were any decisive in any conflicts just it is Hungary's turn in the EU Presidency this half year. Interesting to see how our prime minister is trying to take part in the discussions while we are staying away from the conflict.
It is always a sad thing to see when a dictator turns against his own people and slaughters them. I know - we've had that, too (and actually we were waiting for or rather expecting or were looking forward to some western intervention in 1956 - as was promised and as we were encouraged - but fixing up the Israeli-Arab conflict and securing the Middle-East oil routes was again more important).
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I understand Gaieus,
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yes they may arise a lot of unexpected happenings over there
Thanks modelheadEdit:
more warnings
YouTube - Min. Farrakhan Press Conf. on Pres. Obama, Col. Gadhafi and Libya War
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they do not forget no,
besides :YouTube - Farrakhan Warns, Advises Obama on Libya
[flash=480,385:21c5jadv]http://www.youtube.com/v/iLrLgOVHT8E?fs=1&hl=es_ES[/flash:21c5jadv]Thanks srx
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While some people are celebrating the death of Gaddafi,
watch this video about the reasons for wanting him dead
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@solo said:
As a socialist liberal I do not believe we (America) has reason to be in any war/conflict. I'm against our involvement in Libya.
There is a lot of hypocrisy in all of this, Will we defend the people of Yemen, Bahrain, what about Zimbabwe?
I was against Bush for what he did as I am now opposing Obama for the same reasons.
As a Marxist, I agree. However I don't condone the final assassination of Gaddafi either. I think that was wrong. He should have been arrested and then tried by a neutral court. The Americans (and British) were wrong to invade Iraq, but they acted correctly when they found Saddam down a hole and then arrested him. But they should never have handed him over to the resurgence. The Americans were also hypocritical when they found and then assassinated Bin Laden. They should have simply arrested him too.
America still has the death penalty, and were wrong to carry out two state executions recently- even if the accused had committed terrible criminal acts. Arab nations are often seen or described as brutalistic by the west, but the west can be just as brutal, but in a different way (see recent torture footage of Iraqis by both the British and the Americans), and I think as westerners, many of us find that hard to grasp or see.
It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Another democratic murder seen on TV...and all the western politicians (puppets) are celebrating!?...the one with the tail too...
This is sad and troublesome
...I think we all have to worry...and I pray that ordinary people in USA and other countries involved will wake up and say no to this kind of spreading democracy. -
Can anyone tell that this is not the truth?
@unknownuser said:
Would the people in NATO countries to see these images, they could despite all the war propaganda understand that war by NATO, with a few as henchmen led, is not to the liberation of the people in Libya, but against the Libyan people and their legitimate government is.
About the reasons for this criminal act:
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Did you know about this ? The **Green Book**of Gaddafi
Muammar-Qaddafi-Green-Book-Eng.pdf
We are know claiming
Direct democracy
and he wrote about that : %(#008000)[is the
ideal method, which, if realised in
practice, is indisputable and noncon-
troversial.]
source : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KuO9i_4hPg
what on earth are we doing ????????????????????????
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Green book...
More than interesting thinking in that it unites socialist ideas with natural laws contained in tradition and religion...not seen before...something I was just thinking about...the only right way to save the human freedom...the human soul...but how in practice to do it, not cleared to me. The goal is satisfaction of everyone's needs...and what about the need for domination? The book is very human, but too simplified in solutions. Thank you very much for this Juan! 
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I don't particulary mind Ghadaffi is dead (I'd rather seen him sent to The Hague, though), but I'm quite sceptic with regards to Libya's future. I predict a wave of privatization.
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Although I question the motives of Libya being singled out as a target for NATO intervention (oil, ya think?) while staying out of many other conflicts as pointed out, I wonder what the consequences would have been if NATO had not intervened?
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The insurgency might have failed, I imagine. Many civilians would've died, and many others would've ended up in cells and/or torture chambers.
And the West would've missed a great opportunity to make lots of money.
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The Lies behind The Evil Humanitarian War on Libya 'No Evidence', NATO Crimes In Libya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g_IU0d3WVu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_8RSvJdeakg
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So, Ben Laden was killed without a trial. Can you prove that he was killed or did not have a trial? Are you taking someone word as fact? Ben Laden was behind the killing of 3000 plus people in the World Trade Center. Did Ben Laden have then tried in a neutrial court before giving the order? What about the millions of people killed in Russia; where they given a chance to defend them selfs in court? Who in Russia tried to stop all that killing? It is easy to state what is wrong in the world; but in doing so, be prepared to state how to make things right in the world.
Do not state that you heard this or that you read that in this world; where it is difficult to obtain the truth of the matter. Is Gaddafi really dead?
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@bob-designer said:
Do not state that you heard this or that you read that in this world; where it is difficult to obtain the truth of the matter.
Libya was attacked basically because Gaddafi was accused of killing his own people.
What the videos show is that those accusations were spread before they could be verified.
They state too, that Members of the Transitional Government were members of the Human Rights League that provided that information.
Does it sounds**Right** to you ?
And that is been said by Dr.Sliman Bouchuiguir, Libyan League for Human Rights, Switzerland
I agree with you that it is difficult to obtain the truth of the matter.
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Juan, I rejoice in the fact that we, you in Spain and me in the US can post messages over the internet and that is the truth and the world is smaller. There is one quote that I have heard many time in my lifetime " Believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see". I use that as a guide for my thinking. One person is not right or the other person wrong, their views are different. Also,"Do not try to change or fix something before you know how it works; It may not need fixing" and "Take care of your people and they well take care of you".
I have a degree in reginal and city planning. My planning may be the best for the city, but the plans implementation well be political in nature and I know for a fact, that the result fall short of what they could have been. Such is the result of political involment.
Always look at the Cause (what you plan on doing) and the Effect (the result of your action) before you put a plan into action. Nato put a plan together that was to save Libyan lifes. I belive, that result or effect was far more than what they had visioned. I war, things get out of control, when the first shoot is fired and Nato involment was part of that lack of control. Did they do the right thing or should a few good men stand and do nothing? Put together a plan and then work the plan. I think helping the people was the correct thing; I would of liked to have seen some better control and may be better results.
Is there a way of knowing who or what the Transitional Government or the Human
Right League is about or where they stand? I do not know were to find the facts or the truths of both organizations. I worry for the future of Libya. I would not want tne Muslins to obtain control of Libya. My stand is that Libya is for the Libyans. However, I have few facts or knowledge about the Libyan people. May their new found freedom and happyness live forever. -
@unknownuser said:
Nato put a plan together that was to save Libyan lives.
They made a small error: 50.000 dead, 200.000 wounded, 2.000.000 out of the country! Very human act.
@unknownuser said:
It is easy to state what is wrong in the world; but in doing so, be prepared to state how to make things right in the world.
Well, start from yourself, your voice and vote. Don't support wars against sovereign counties in the name of "democracy". It's not legal. Things are simple as that. Or you think it's ok?
@unknownuser said:
Many civilians would've died, and many others would've ended up in cells and/or torture chambers.
I guess you didn't bother watching this, so I'm showing it again. Look at a number of people here. This is the evidence Western media could not create with their propaganda machine, thees are the real people:
Can anyone tell that this is not the truth?
@unknownuser said:
Would the people in NATO countries to see these images, they could despite all the war propaganda understand that war by NATO, with a few as henchmen led, is not to the liberation of the people in Libya, but against the Libyan people and their legitimate government is.
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