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    • TIGT Offline
      TIG Moderator
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      @unknownuser said:

      Bug or natural behavior?

      -when I mirror a component that cuts opening, it mirrors fine, the mirrored cuts its opening too. But, if I mirror two (or more) instances of that component, at the same time, the instances won't cut opening. Neither the mirrored ones, nor the original instances.

      Is it a bug, can be fixed, or is just how it works?
      Not been reported before...
      If you select one cutting instance it's mirrored/copied without recourse to temporary grouping, so the cutting is retained. If you select more than the one cutting-instance then the selection is grouped copied/mirrored/exploded.
      So the original gluing instance is unglued from its face and then it and the exploded copy versions aren't told where to glue to...
      There are several 'reglue' tools available... I suggest my HolePunch tool which has a simple one - you select the now unglued instance[s] and select Reglue off the context-menu, the face[s] below the instance[s] [if any] are found and the instance[s] are glued onto it, thereby cutting holes in the face[s] too if they are 'cutting-components' - they don't need to be any special 'hole-punching' instances, it will work on any gluing instance - even ones that don't then 'cut' - however if they do 'cut' and you also want them to then 'punch' a hole through any inner face[s] then they can, once they are each glued to an initial face ! ...

      TIG

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      • dereiD Offline
        derei
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        Hmm, I can't see any "reglue" option in my context menu πŸ˜• where should it be?
        I also have Thomthom's Superglue... but it doesn't work for those particular components. I mirrored them one by one.
        Is it possible to make the plugin to mirror each element one by one, instead of grouping them prior mirroring? In this way, the "cut hole" property would still be present.

        DESIGNER AND ARTIST [DEREI.UK](http://derei.uk/l)

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        • TIGT Offline
          TIG Moderator
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          No, because you might mess up by including other geometry in the selection, AND how is the mirrored object to know the face it ought to be glued onto ?
          It's too complex... but simply selecting the mirrored / prior instances and re-gluing fixes the issue...
          This is the context-menu... IF you have an instance selected that could be 're-glued' the item is active... Your context-menu won't look exactly like my customized one... BUT the 'Hole Punching' part will be exactly the same ! [You do need to install my HolePunch tool πŸ˜’ ]


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          TIG

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          • dereiD Offline
            derei
            last edited by

            Ohh, sorry. I thought that Reglue is a SketchUp's default action.
            Thank you for clarifying.

            DESIGNER AND ARTIST [DEREI.UK](http://derei.uk/l)

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            • TIGT Offline
              TIG Moderator
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              @unknownuser said:

              Ohh, sorry. I thought that Reglue is a SketchUp's default action.
              Thank you for clarifying.
              The 'UNglue' IS a context-menu option allowing you to detach a selected component-instance from its companion face [also available for a group or an image that's glued when made/added] - BUT the action 'REglue' needs a script... πŸ€“

              TIG

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              • TIGT Offline
                TIG Moderator
                last edited by

                Here's v3.7 http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=276512#p276512
                Mirroring gluing component-instances will now glue them into any same context faces they might then be placed onto, and/or it re-glues mirrored/original gluing component-instances onto their previous faces as appropriate.
                [This resulting from some constructive nagging from dereeei πŸ˜‰ ]

                TIG

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                • M Offline
                  Mental
                  last edited by

                  Hi. Forgive me for possibly a stupid question but which advantages does this plugin bring compared to good old scale x -1. Probably I'm missing something.
                  Thanks

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                  • TIGT Offline
                    TIG Moderator
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                    The native 'flip' tools in the context-menu and/or Scale -1 only work 'axially' - RGB / XYZ.
                    They also affect the original objects.

                    The Mirror Tool, however, mirrors just the selected objects [temporarily grouping them to avoid geometry clashes], about any picked point or line from two picked points, or [more usually] a 'plane' you define by any three picked points - therefore the mirroring need not be 'axial' / orthogonal [but of course it can be if you so wish, since picking the points has all of the usual inferences/snaps/locking etc of native tools].

                    The other advantage of the Mirror Tool is that it initially mirrors a temporarily grouped copy of the objects and leaves the original objects in place, a closing dialog asks if you want to erase the originals - when Yes removes them and No leaves them in place, both options leaving the mirrored copy where it was required, with the temporary grouping exploded.
                    So as well as doing a simple Mirror it can also Copy the objects at the same time if desired - whereas using native tools this would be a much more intensive operation as you'd need to copy objects off to the side, perhaps grouping objects to avoid geometry clashes, scale -1 [ignoring the steps needed for resetting axes etc if the mirroring-plane were non-orthogonal] and moving back the mirrored objects back into place and exploding any temporary groups...
                    πŸ€“

                    TIG

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                    • M Offline
                      Mental
                      last edited by

                      @tig said:

                      The native 'flip' tools in the context-menu and/or Scale -1 only work 'axially' - RGB / XYZ.
                      They also affect the original objects.

                      The Mirror Tool, however, mirrors just the selected objects [temporarily grouping them to avoid geometry clashes], about any picked point or line from two picked points, or [more usually] a 'plane' you define by any three picked points - therefore the mirroring need not be 'axial' / orthogonal [but of course it can be if you so wish, since picking the points has all of the usual inferences/snaps/locking etc of native tools].

                      The other advantage of the Mirror Tool is that it initially mirrors a temporarily grouped copy of the objects and leaves the original objects in place, a closing dialog asks if you want to erase the originals - when Yes removes them and No leaves them in place, both options leaving the mirrored copy where it was required, with the temporary grouping exploded.
                      So as well as doing a simple Mirror it can also Copy the objects at the same time if desired - whereas using native tools this would be a much more intensive operation as you'd need to copy objects off to the side, perhaps grouping objects to avoid geometry clashes, scale -1 [ignoring the steps needed for resetting axes etc if the mirroring-plane were non-orthogonal] and moving back the mirrored objects back into place and exploding any temporary groups...
                      πŸ€“

                      Thanks for detailed reply. My area of Sketchup Application is architectural concepts so in my case I work in various axis orientations anyway (and reset if required to go back to original one). So having to create a custom axis for mirroring is never a big deal. But I'll definitely give your plugin a go if I find that my scale -1 tool doesn't give me what I'm after. Thanks!

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                      • ElibjrE Offline
                        Elibjr
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                        Thank You TIG. You have some of the most reliable plugins in the forum! You have changed my view of SketchUp forever! 😍

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                        • J Offline
                          JGA
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                          Thanks for keeping on the development of this tool; it's the first one I loaded years ago that made SKUP more familiar to an AutoCAD user.

                          Regards,
                          JGA

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                          • bmikeB Offline
                            bmike
                            last edited by

                            TIG,

                            Seems that Mirror doesn't honor Locked Components...

                            [flash=640,480:hycafqxq]http://www.youtube.com/v/AQrNxCOZZuQ[/flash:hycafqxq]

                            mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                            • bmikeB Offline
                              bmike
                              last edited by

                              @mental said:

                              Hi. Forgive me for possibly a stupid question but which advantages does this plugin bring compared to good old scale x -1. Probably I'm missing something.
                              Thanks

                              Much quicker, using the plugin, especially when dealing with off axis objects - compound roof rafters, sloping parts of stairs, etc. etc. No need to create an extra plane or line to include in the -1 Scale Operation to get the axis right...

                              And it auto copies things for you, about any axis you choose, to dropping an identical assembly or rafter or whatever, exactly where you want it, is much easier.

                              mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                              • TIGT Offline
                                TIG Moderator
                                last edited by

                                Here's v3.8
                                http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=276512#p276512
                                It now honors any selected 'locked' components or groups, and does not mirror them.
                                I've also included some minor 'behind the scenes' code tweaks...

                                TIG

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                                • bmikeB Offline
                                  bmike
                                  last edited by

                                  @tig said:

                                  Here's v3.8
                                  http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=276512#p276512
                                  It now honors any selected 'locked' components or groups, and does not mirror them.
                                  I've also included some minor 'behind the scenes' code tweaks...

                                  Thanks TIG!
                                  Sorry to call it out, but this is how I noticed the lock glitch!

                                  mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                  • TIGT Offline
                                    TIG Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    This something to do with Sketchup itself.
                                    If the arc/curve is grouped/mirrored with other connected-geometry [that borders a face] then the arc gets exploded !
                                    If you replicate the arc+other_geometry_around_face > group, copy, scale -1, explode... you will find that native Sketchup breaks the arcs too...

                                    TIG

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                                    • jim smithJ Offline
                                      jim smith
                                      last edited by

                                      TIG, thank you for the update

                                      "Out of clutter find simplicity,
                                      from discord find harmony,
                                      In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity"
                                      Albert Einstein

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                                      • pilouP Offline
                                        pilou
                                        last edited by

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        Sketchup breaks the arcs too...

                                        It's a pity! πŸ˜•

                                        Frenchy Pilou
                                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                        My Little site :)

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                                        • pilouP Offline
                                          pilou
                                          last edited by

                                          So solution is to group the rectangle first! πŸ’­

                                          With that all the mirrors of the arcs will keep the arcs not explosed! β˜€

                                          Frenchy Pilou
                                          Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                          My Little site :)

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                                          • TIGT Offline
                                            TIG Moderator
                                            last edited by

                                            Yes - it's just the same in Sketchup when it's done manually...

                                            TIG

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