IE9 looking good

MartinRinehart

The day I can stop writing s!@#$ like this I'll pop the cork on a superb bottle of bubbly.

    
function getVPHeight() { // VP == ViewPort
    try { if ( innerHeight ) return innerHeight;  // standard
        if ( document.documentElement &&
            document.documentElement.clientHeight ) // MSIE standards?
            return document.documentElement.clientHeight; }
    catch( e ) { return document.body.offsetHeight; }// MSIE quirks
}

thomthom

@rickgraham said:

I've even gone to the extreme of removing IE from the PC computers at work, using Firefox. It just runs better.
Rick

That's just the front end of IE. The IE engine is still there. It's the platform for CHM help files and HTA applications.

And in the context of Sketchup and webdialogs IE9 is good news. Looks to be a rather nice update for webdevelopers - except they still have to support older IE versions in a bigger extent than SU devs. I've dropped IE6 support for my plugins long time ago. And I barely bother to account for IE7. These changes in IE9 might open up for a much easier UI development - when I then consider dropping IE8 rather quickly as well.

Gaieus

Yeah, I also kept IE (beside Safari, Chrome, Opera and Firefox) just to see what it screws up when I am building a website. You always need to be cautious with that (like Martin also quoted something like that)

Dan Rathbun

Is IE9 gonna install on XP ?

Gaieus

@dan rathbun said:

Is IE9 gonna install on XP ?

I guess it should - afaik MS is supporting XP (at least XP Home) until 2013 or something. Yet you never know with these developers of course.

remus

Apparently that isnt the case:

@unknownuser said:

(http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/Default.html)":3514uk8l]# Does Platform Preview run on Windows XP?

No. Internet Explorer 9’s GPU-powered graphics take advantage of new technologies available in Windows 7 and back-ported only to Windows Vista. These technologies depend on advancements in the display driver model introduced first in Windows Vista.

Gaieus

Thanks Remus!

(Also, I didn't know you can place a link tag in the quote name! )

remus

@gaieus said:

Also, I didn't know you can place a link tag in the quote name!

Neither did i until i tried it there

jessejames

@thomthom said:

IE9 looking good

Sorry Thom Thom i am allergic to BS

thomthom

@jessejames said:

@thomthom said:

IE9 looking good

Sorry Thom Thom i am allergic to BS

Is that an automatic reply ti anything MS or IE related? Or did you actually look at the stuff they have been posting about IE9?

jessejames

@thomthom said:

Is that an automatic reply ti anything MS or IE related? Or did you actually look at the stuff they have been posting about IE9?

Yes it is. After years and years of using anything MS produces i can tell you it's the only reaction i can muster anymore! IE is the worst browser i have ever used. Finally after all these years some genuis at MS said..

@unknownuser said:

"well maybe we "should" allow people to remove our crappy software if they don't like it"

Ya Think?!?!

I am sick of MS's bloatware and bugs. Windows ships with back doors wide open and i'm sick of it!!!! And what really gives me the culo rojo is their "holier than thou" attitude about software and licensing. Check this link were i give a complete rundown of all the carp software built into windows. And the worse part is YOU CAN"T UNINSTALL IT! ITS BUILT INTO THE DAMN OS!

@unknownuser said:

Microsoft has more to answer for for the crap they put in purposly than for the bugs that get in accidentally

MS == half@sshippocrite
true

remus

Why arent you on linux if it annoys you so much?

thomthom

Being a former web-developer I'm not a person that generally have much good to say about IE - but none the less, the information about IE9 does sound good and positive. Regardless if you use it as a user - as a developer one needs to take it into account. Which is why I found the latest news about IE9 positive.

Blindly ranting out of old habit is not really productive at all. Credit where credit is due - and they do seem to put in some effort now. A

Whatever other stuff MS do with other product is a different discussion - but no point in mixing that into this one.

My purpose with this thread was to highlight the possibilities we get in terms of developing webdialogs for SU when they are powered by IE9.

HFM

@gaieus said:

Yeah, I also kept IE (beside Safari, Chrome, Opera and Firefox) just to see what it screws up when I am building a website. You always need to be cautious with that (like Martin also quoted something like that)

You don't have to have IE installed to test your site. You can download IEtester http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage which wil test IE from 5.5 [insane if you wan't to optimize your site for this version, but ok] to the latest version which is 8 at this point.

This program illustrates my most hated point about IE, every version handles differently! Unlike Mozilla who started with a good base and build on top of that, Microsoft seems to go a different direction every time a new version comes. Therefore I'm not to happy with the new version, since it probably means you have to build your site for IE 7,8 and 9 [no, no 6 here... If you still use IE6 you should pull the plug from your pc or slap your boss in the face ]

thomthom

Well, in terms of using IE for webdesign - I've found that when working with HTML strict and first making the site against FF/Opera/Webkit, there's often not that much work with IE7 and IE8. Using jQuery I avoid most JS cross compatibility issues.

And with IE9 MS is submitting more tests to W3C to ensure all browser vendors can test their own engine. Good example is the border radius and border style - nearly all the browsers has a different take on this. My impression from the articles was that these new tests would help in filling in the gaps that exists in the current specs.

When you say you don't like the new version - why? You want IE to stop updating again? Have them halt at IE8 as they did with IE6? Haven't we (the webdevelopers) been ranting for years that MS should update IE more frequently?
Have you tried the tech preview they offer? I had a quick look - but did not compare the stuff they features against other browsers.

@hfm said:

If you still use IE6 you should pull the plug from your pc or slap your boss in the face ]

I want the plug to be pulled on IE7 as well. Now that IE development seem to accelerate - I can only wish that the phasing out of older IE versions will occur more often.

HFM

Well yeah, I/we have been ranting about updating IE. But it feels more like the're changing it with every number. Now, I'm sure as hell not a professional web designer, but isn't it strange that with IE we're talking about version 6,7 and 8 as if they were different programs and with Firefox it's just Firefox?

As for IE9, I'm more worried about what they change than happy as to what they will update

MartinRinehart

@hfm said:

Well yeah, I/we have been ranting about updating IE. But it feels more like the're changing it with every number.

If you are a very big, very rich software company you can have team A working on version N, while team B works on version N+1. As a guess, the IE8 team is now on IE10.