Bonzai 2.0 released
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@unknownuser said:
It depends at what You are doing. For me the community is very important. For instance, I needed a way to incremental rename a lot of components and asked for a script and I had it in an hour thanks to TIG! For small woodworking, melamine and MDF furniture SketchUp is perfect - there are FredoScale,CutList,Dovetails and bunch of other plugins to do the job!
If you are reliant on community scripts for staying competitive while the world moves on, then good luck mate.
Sketchup will not remain the ground breaking technology it once was.
It's owners have another agenda, - designers are now a secondary consideration.
I resisted moving to Sketchup when it showed the way forward, - don't want to make that same mistake again. -
@toxicvoxel said:
Sketchup will not remain the ground breaking technology it once was.
I beg to differ. In my opinion the developers of SU are a very hard working bunch who want to produce a good product that helps people get their jobs done.
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@unknownuser said:
If you are reliant on community scripts for staying competitive while the world moves on, then good luck mate.
Yes - it proofs to be the fastest and the cheapest way
And I prefer to move on with the industry and my customers not with the software. I'm working with flat panels and SketchUP has it enough. As I said - it depends. -
@remus said:
I beg to differ. In my opinion the developers of SU are a very hard working bunch who want to produce a good product that helps people get their jobs done.
When you have the pioneering lead in the industry, you have to be pretty stupid to lose it.
What we are beginning to see is the Autodesk syndrome of adding fringe functionality with every release while the core remains the same. Ironically Sketchup is what gave Autodesk their wake-up call. I suspect however that Google is in a far deeper slumber.The fact that other contenders now offer the functionality asked by SU users 3-4 releases ago while there is no sign of it yet in the development roadmap, speaks for itself.
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Are we moving onto a different discussion here now?
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@dedmin said:
Yes - it proofs to be the fastest and the cheapest way
And I prefer to move on with the industry and my customers not with the software. I'm working with flat panels and SketchUP has it enough. As I said - it depends.As someone who spends a lot of my time automating my design work flow through software development, I speak from experience when I say that 'scripts' eventually make it very very difficult to move on to a better technology platform when it arrives, because the automation functionality cannot easily be replicated on the new system. (Even more-so if you do not do any coding yourself.) While they may make your life easier at the moment they can become so integral to your work that they trap you into a 'legacy' work flow which will be difficult to move away from. This is one of the reasons why I keep my automation code-base development as application- and API-neutral as possible so that I can move easily to another platform if it offers benefits.
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No worries - scripts are just tools and as far as they don't put any dependable info into my models I can't see Your point! What is the problem to rename my components with a script or manually?
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@thomthom said:
Are we moving onto a different discussion here now?
Read it again - you're sure to get the context if you concentrate.
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@unknownuser said:
The fact that other contenders now offer the functionality asked by SU users 3-4 releases ago while there is no sign of it yet in the development road map, speaks for itself.
Firstly we do not know what Google's goal is for SU, it could be completely different to what we want and need. Our desires and hopes have been very openly documented in this public forum and it is available to all competition to capitalise on, and as far as I'm concerned it's kudos to them for the initiative if they did.
I think Bonsai is indeed good and healthy competition, from my limited interactions with it I feel it's a robust and very powerful app that is capable of doing things I have always wished SU would achieve, so I will now be using both SU and Bonsai in my work-flow in order to achieve results.
I will start changing my work flow to now model all organic shapes with Bonsai's nurbs and UV map them there too before exporting to be inserted into my SU scenes, as I get more acquainted with the Bonsai UI I may feel confident to do more surface modeling there, who knows where that will lead, I'm like most people out there...trying to get a job done in the fastest and simplest way, no time for loyalties when it comes to freelance work. -
@unknownuser said:
On the main subject...I was hesitant at first but Bonzai is great/capable solid modeller. Why is it being compared to sketchup?
well i think SU is the yardstick we've all come to know and love. its seems a perfect solution to all your problems till you get to know and discover its weaknesses. by then its too late... you spend the rest of your career thinking if only it could do this, if only... but alas its a drug and you keep searching for the ease and functionality you felt the first time you built a child like shape with SU an sat back and admired it.
now we're pissed because we all grew up and got more sophisticated but SU didn't. and aside from the wonderful community and scripters, SU is still a baby, and we all wait...
what i think it boils down to is that SU is what it is and what it was always intended to be. a quick sketcher to replace napkins**.** its the users and coders love for its simplicity that have brought it kicking and screaming to where it is(n't) today. when someone on the newbie forum asks how do i bend this, or push/pull multiple faces, or freely deform my shape, or... the answer should be you can't do it, it shouldn't be oh thomas wrote this script or chris wrote that... do you think @last ever intended this? NO. in truth that's not even SU. SU is just a scripting environment at that point, not a full fledged 3D modeller. i think it may never be one. i just hope that all who come after learn from it and can take us to the next level with as much style and passion as SU. may you rest in peace
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Don't forget the other way - from full-blown 3d package to SU!
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@dedmin said:
Don't forget the other way - from full-blown 3d package to SU!
I used Rhino and 3DSMax when I was at school Never used SU until I began at the office I work at now.
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OK, downloaded Bonzai2.0. Decided it had nothing I needed so now I wish to uninstall. Well, there seems to be a problem. It doesn't show up in the Window uninstall program's list. And it doesn't show up in Revo Uninstall list of programs to uninstall. And there is no uninstall listed with the program selection.
Question, so how do I uninstall Bonzai 2.0.
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@unknownuser said:
OK, downloaded Bonzai2.0. Decided it had nothing I needed so now I wish to uninstall. Well, there seems to be a problem. It doesn't show up in the Window uninstall program's list. And it doesn't show up in Revo Uninstall list of programs to uninstall. And there is no uninstall listed with the program selection.
Question, so how do I uninstall Bonzai 2.0.
Doesn't one just upzip Bonzai and run it? So you just delete it.
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Ken,
As Thomas notes, there is no installer -- so you don't need an uninstaller. If you want, you can just delete the folder.
Of course, if you did have any questions regarding its functionality, or if you have any other feedback, feel free to email support@bonzai3d.com and we will be happy to answer any questions that you might have.
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@bonzai3d support said:
Ken,
As Thomas notes, there is no installer -- so you don't need an uninstaller. If you want, you can just delete the folder.
Of course, if you did have any questions regarding its functionality, or if you have any other feedback, feel free to email support@bonzai3d.com and we will be happy to answer any questions that you might have.
Darn how soon we forget how the program was installed. Thanks for the info.
Ken
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hmm... but what about associated filetypes?
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Thomas,
The BNZ file format will still be associated with bonzai3d -- but that should not cause any issues... Even if you did have another program that used a BNZ file format, it would simply claim the format when it was installed -- or you could manually set this via the File Types if you really wanted to...
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Modelhead,
Virus detection software causes all kinds of problems with installation, and we found that users simply did not follow the recommendations to disable this before installing -- and they were ending up with corrupted installations that did not run properly. So rather than forcing the user to disable virus detection prior to installing (which is not possible with all limited user accounts), we simply eliminated the installer. Thus bonzai3d will not be corrupted by the virus detection software running when it is installed precisely because there is no installation necessary. As far as the registry, we basically just register the BNZ filetype, and we also add a shortcut to the Start Menu for convenience of launching bonzai3d. There is nothing in the registry that will cause any harm to the system or programs -- and deleting the start menu item is quite easy (even easier than running an uninstaller).
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i kinda like the idea of no installer. i could probably run this software off a thumbdrive, right? i wish more programs would keep it simple. maybe a batch file to delete the registry entry and shorcut enties could be added to the B3D directory, for the more discerning users.
sounds like Modelhead is pissed he never thought of this approach.
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