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    • thomthomT Offline
      thomthom
      last edited by

      Came across this link:
      http://www.h3rald.com/articles/efficient-ruby-code-shortcut-review/

      On that list it says
      @unknownuser said:

      Use parallel assignment (a, b = 5, 6) where applicable

      while at this link:
      http://www.hxa.name/articles/content/ruby-speed-guide_hxa7241_2007.html

      @unknownuser said:

      Avoid parallel assignment

      πŸ˜’

      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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      • thomthomT Offline
        thomthom
        last edited by

        @thomthom said:

        Came across this link:
        http://www.h3rald.com/articles/efficient-ruby-code-shortcut-review/

        On that list it says
        @unknownuser said:

        Use parallel assignment (a, b = 5, 6) where applicable

        while at this link:
        http://www.hxa.name/articles/content/ruby-speed-guide_hxa7241_2007.html

        @unknownuser said:

        Avoid parallel assignment

        πŸ˜’

        I just bought the ebook and that review summary was wrong - parallel assignments are not recommended for performance important tasks.
        Interesting read that book btw.

        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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          MartinRinehart
          last edited by

          Let's see - for performance I'm going to avoid iterations, arrays, hashes and objects.

          What's left?

          Author, Edges to Rubies - The Complete SketchUp Tutorial at http://www.MartinRinehart.com/models/tutorial.

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
            last edited by

            @martinrinehart said:

            What's left?

            puts "Hello World" πŸ˜„

            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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            • AdamBA Offline
              AdamB
              last edited by

              @jim said:

              I guess to get back on topic, for loops are not faster then .each iterators. The performance must have to do with how the for loop variables are not loop scoped, as in each.

              "Your racing car is not faster than my Trabant, it just covers more ground in a shorter time than my car." πŸ˜„

              Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                cjthompson
                last edited by

                Has anyone looked into Enumerable.grep()? it seems pretty useful, but I don't know how fast it is.

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                  Jim
                  last edited by

                  @adamb said:

                  @jim said:

                  I guess to get back on topic, for loops are not faster then .each iterators. The performance must have to do with how the for loop variables are not loop scoped, as in each.

                  "Your racing car is not faster than my Trabant, it just covers more ground in a shorter time than my car." πŸ˜„

                  Heh? Oh. Yes, I see. 😳

                  Would it be correct to say: An each loop can be as fast as a for loop if the loop variable has been initialized?

                  Hi

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
                    last edited by

                    That would mean it's not the each loop itself that's slow - but the creation of variables.

                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                      Jim
                      last edited by

                      Exactly.

                      Hi

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                      • thomthomT Offline
                        thomthom
                        last edited by

                        Vertex.position is slow! Cache the result if you need to use the same Point3d multiple times.

                        Point3d.distance also accepts Vertex objects in place of Point3d or Array.
                        point1.distance(vertex2) is faster than point1.distance(vertex2.position).

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                        • AdamBA Offline
                          AdamB
                          last edited by

                          Its all interesting info you're digging up thomthom, but I wonder where you're going..

                          Ruby is a scripting language that makes for very quick development, modern constructs and good readability. So you pay for that with execution performance. However, performance with a big P which may include how fast you can complete and deliver functionality may be better - but once again I do think you should play to Ruby's strength rather than perhaps bend it into something it isn't.

                          By the time you've created local copies of state, rewritten everything using a compact form etc etc you end up with something that is less readable and probably more prone to bugs. And as you've discovered, there is a massive difference in performance between native code and Ruby - such a large gulf, you're never going to come even close to closing it.

                          You should do heavy lifting with a C extension and GUI / API / semantic stuff with Ruby. Processing geometry topology with Ruby is, in general, not practical. Not that it can't be done..but that's not what I'm suggesting.

                          Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                          • thomthomT Offline
                            thomthom
                            last edited by

                            @adamb said:

                            Its all interesting info you're digging up thomthom, but I wonder where you're going..

                            That was actually stuff I found out before I got around to do a C extension.
                            Jumping from Ruby - or any other scripting language - C extensions is not an easy jump. If C isn't your cup of tea then it's worth knowing what saves time in Ruby. Most plugin writers here doesn't do C and have no interest in it either. Just making something that work - but still one can save noticeable time.

                            What I found most interesting in those test was that Vertex is a valid argument where the manual claims only Point3d. And passing the Vertex is faster than Vertex.position.

                            As for C extensions - it appear that there's a significant overhead of converting VALUEs to workable C types - so if you iterate only once over a set of data there isn't much to gain. Only if there's quite a bit more calculations.

                            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            • AdamBA Offline
                              AdamB
                              last edited by

                              @thomthom said:

                              As for C extensions - it appear that there's a significant overhead of converting VALUEs to workable C types - so if you iterate only once over a set of data there isn't much to gain. Only if there's quite a bit more calculations.

                              Not really. You asked the wrong question, so you perhaps got an answer that has misled you.

                              You asked about converting Ruby arrays to C etc. And everything I said stands. However, sounds like you actually want a C extension that operates upon the Ruby structures. If you have a situation where you are just wanting to twiddle existing Ruby data from C, it is well worth doing even for 1 pass because the fixed costs are pretty much zero.

                              Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                              • thomthomT Offline
                                thomthom
                                last edited by

                                I'm very green to this Ruby <-> C interaction - so its very likely I'm not doing thing the right way around.

                                @adamb said:

                                However, sounds like you actually want a C extension that operates upon the Ruby structures.

                                What I have done so far is to calculate the soft selection for my Vertex Edit. So for each vertex in the selection set I needed to find the closest closest distance to any of the vertices not selected. It was the distance method that was so slow.
                                I did some tests - created a dummy set of 3d data in C and calculated the soft selection for that. Very fast. But as soon as I made the source data set come from RUBY it became very slow. The C function was setting two sets of ruby arrays of vertices. Getting the X,Y,Z data for each vertex seemed to be very slow - converting Vertex to Point3d and then converting the X,Y,Z into C doubles.
                                For every vertex in the selection I was iterating the remaining set of vertices and converting them.
                                What I then did was to do a pre-pass of the non-selected vertices and create an C array of point3d structs. I then got a big speed increase. That's what lead me to the impression that converting Ruby VALUES to C types are expensive.

                                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                • AdamBA Offline
                                  AdamB
                                  last edited by

                                  distance requires a square root of a scalar product. ie sqrt(A.B)

                                  Keep in mind that in native "cpu" math, A.B is perhaps ~5 cycles and sqrt(X) is perhaps ~35 cycles. If you don't actually need the squareroot but just need to find the closest, then just compare A.B which should be significantly faster.

                                  Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                                  • thomthomT Offline
                                    thomthom
                                    last edited by

                                    @adamb said:

                                    distance requires a square root of a scalar product. ie sqrt(A.B)

                                    Keep in mind that in native "cpu" math, A.B is perhaps ~5 cycles and sqrt(X) is perhaps ~35 cycles. If you don't actually need the squareroot but just need to find the closest, then just compare A.B which should be significantly faster.

                                    Yes - I was reading up on sqrt and found that to compare "longer" and "shorter" I didn't need sqrt. So I changed my code to only do the square root after I've found the shortest distance. That way it's called only once per vertex in Selection. (I needed the distance for some other calculations)

                                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                      cjthompson
                                      last edited by

                                      @cjthompson said:

                                      Has anyone looked into Enumerable.grep()? it seems pretty useful, but I don't know how fast it is.

                                      well, since no one seems to be listening... 😒
                                      I ran my own test (for: is using a for loop, grep: is using Enumerable.grep)
                                      speedTest for: entities - 0.016 grep: entities - 0.015 for: entities array - 0.0 grep: entities array - 0.016 for: range - 0.219 grep: range - 0.203 for: range array - 0.219 grep: range array - 0.218 for: strings - 0.469 grep: strings - 0.234 nil

                                      here is the code I used:

                                      def speedTest
                                      	entities = Sketchup.active_model.entities
                                      	entitiesArray = entities.to_a
                                      	range = 0..1000000
                                      	rangeArray = range.to_a
                                      	strings = range.collect{|number| number.to_s}
                                      	
                                      	## Entities
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	for ent in entities
                                      		if(ent.class == Sketchup;;Edge)
                                      			results << ent
                                      		end
                                      	end
                                      	puts "for; entities - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	results = entities.grep(Sketchup;;Edge)
                                      	puts "grep; entities - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	## Entities array
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	for ent in entitiesArray
                                      		if(ent.class == Sketchup;;Edge)
                                      			results << ent
                                      		end
                                      	end
                                      	puts "for; entities array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	results = entitiesArray.grep(Sketchup;;Edge)
                                      	puts "grep; entities array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	## Range
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	for num in range
                                      		if(num == 318256)
                                      			results << num
                                      		end
                                      	end
                                      	puts "for; range - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	results = range.grep(318256)
                                      	puts "grep; range - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	## Range Array
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	for num in rangeArray
                                      		if(num == 318256)
                                      			results << num
                                      		end
                                      	end
                                      	puts "for; range array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	results = rangeArray.grep(318256)
                                      	puts "grep; range array - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	## Strings
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	for str in strings
                                      		if(str.match(/312\Z/))
                                      			results << str
                                      		end
                                      	end
                                      	puts "for; strings - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      	results = []
                                      	start = Time.now
                                      	results = range.grep(/312\Z/)
                                      	puts "grep; strings - " + (Time.now - start).to_s
                                      	
                                      end
                                      

                                      and the model I tested on:


                                      test1k.skp

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                                      • thomthomT Offline
                                        thomthom
                                        last edited by

                                        I also read that depending on the settings of the compiler the instruction set used to compute sqrt and it's performance vary greatly. One of the articles I read suggested that many compilers will use old set of instructions by default for greater compatibility.
                                        What do you do for your projects?

                                        Edit: one of the articles I read: http://assemblyrequired.crashworks.org/2009/10/16/timing-square-root/

                                        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                                          Pout
                                          last edited by

                                          concerning typename vs class:

                                          For, till now, unexplained reason when i change typename with class the results are different
                                          Script is a bit like this:

                                          x=entity.class (or entity.typename)
                                          if x=="Face"
                                          do something
                                          elsif x=="Group"
                                          do something
                                          elsif x=="ComponentInstance"
                                          do something
                                          else
                                          end
                                          

                                          When the type is "ComponentInstance" the results are not the same for class and typename.
                                          I need to check on this since the speed increase is huge

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                                          • thomthomT Offline
                                            thomthom
                                            last edited by

                                            .class returns a Class object - not a string.
                                            What causes the slow down is the string comparison - that's what you want to avoid.

                                            
                                            x=entity.class
                                            if x==Sketchup;;Face
                                              do something
                                            elsif x==Sketchup;;Group
                                              do something
                                            elsif x==Sketchup;;ComponentInstance
                                              do something
                                            else
                                            end
                                            
                                            

                                            or

                                            
                                            if entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;Face)
                                              do something
                                            elsif entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;Group)
                                              do something
                                            elsif entity.is_a?(Sketchup;;ComponentInstance)
                                              do something
                                            else
                                            end
                                            
                                            

                                            Update: fixed is_? to is_a?

                                            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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