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    • jeff hammondJ Offline
      jeff hammond
      last edited by

      44 + 4 + 7 ?

      [just weeding out the chance that it might be a trick question πŸ˜‰ ]

      edit- [well, there's definitely a trick to it otherwise it's impossible.]

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      • EscapeArtistE Offline
        EscapeArtist
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        @unknownuser said:

        44 + 4 + 7 ?

        I like your equation. Follows the rules and gets the job done. Simple enough for me to understand! πŸ˜„

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        • jeff hammondJ Offline
          jeff hammond
          last edited by

          ok then it's probably something like
          "use only 3,4s,and any common......."

          so if 44 counts as another number and i can only use a 3 and a bunch of 4s i'll go with...

          4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4-(4-3) = 55

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          • P Offline
            pav_3j
            last edited by

            not got it perfect, i'm at 52 so far. it is 5:15 am though...

            (4!)*(sqrt4)+4 = 52

            i'll get there though!

            pav

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            • P Offline
              pav_3j
              last edited by

              getting nearer...

              (4 !) + ((4 * 4) * sqrt(4)) = 56

              pav

              Just won the 'Who is Least Competitive Championships' where trying to win will make you lose. Trying to lose makes you win which makes you lose. Not trying at all makes you lose which makes you win which makes you lose.

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              • soloS Offline
                solo
                last edited by

                444 divided by 4 minus 44, minus 4, minus 4, minus 4 = 55

                444/4=111
                111-44=67
                67-4=63
                63-4=59
                59-4=55.

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                • jeff hammondJ Offline
                  jeff hammond
                  last edited by

                  well if factorals, pi, squared, cubed, decimals etc are allowed then it's possible for sure..

                  4! = 24
                  square root of 4 = 2

                  24- 2 = 22
                  22 divided by .4 = 55

                  that's a bunch of numbers other than 3 fours though..
                  πŸ˜’

                  another one thats close..

                  4pi x 4 + 4 = 54.25

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                  • jeff hammondJ Offline
                    jeff hammond
                    last edited by

                    @pav_3j said:

                    not got it perfect, i'm at 52 so far. it is 5:15 am though...

                    (4!)*(sqrt4)+4 = 52

                    i'll get there though!

                    pav

                    i did it based off what you have...
                    but..
                    4! minus sqrt4 then divide by .4..

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                    • jeff hammondJ Offline
                      jeff hammond
                      last edited by

                      but if that's in fact an acceptable solution, i'm willing to argue that .4 is as different from 4 as any other number so
                      (4x4)+39 should count too..

                      once you get into sin,cos,tan, sqrts of sqrts, cbrts, logs etc.. i'm sure there are a bunch of different ways to do it..

                      or 4x + 4 + 4 works good too (where x = 11.75) to me, that's not much different than the other symbols that are used as representations for actual numbers.

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                      • jeff hammondJ Offline
                        jeff hammond
                        last edited by

                        another one that's close

                        4pi x 4.4 = 55.2

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                        • TIGT Offline
                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by

                          Jeff is right - with three it's (4!-(sqrt(4))/.4=55 [and with four fours it's (4!/.4)-(sqrt(4)/.4)=55]
                          but without decimal points [where .4 != 4 !!!] this way works 'properly'...

                          (sqrt(sqrt(4)))(sqrt(4!))(sqrt((sqrt(4!))!))=55

                          Now try four fours with symbols that = 27... [no decimal points allowed] a bit more convoluted πŸ˜’

                          TIG

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                          • jeff hammondJ Offline
                            jeff hammond
                            last edited by

                            @tig said:

                            [where .4 != 4 !!!]

                            is 4!!! a legit way to make a smaller number?
                            to me it looks like the number would get bigger very quickly because i'm looking at it as ((4!)!)!
                            if !! or !!! works differently than that, it opens up some more possibilities

                            edit- ok, i checked it out.. the double factorial uses only numbers with the same odd or even relationship..

                            so 4!! = 42 = 8
                            7!! = 7
                            531
                            etc..

                            but while looking at that, i came across the subfactorial .. !4 = 9 so...

                            (4(4sqrd)) - !4 =55

                            [that's squared not square root]

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                            • TIGT Offline
                              TIG Moderator
                              last edited by

                              @unknownuser said:

                              @tig said:

                              [where .4 != 4 !!!]

                              is 4!!! a legit way to make a smaller number?

                              You misconstrue me !!! I was making an exclamation, that .4 is not equal to 4 (.4 != 4 !!!): after all .4 is really another way of writing 4/10 ...
                              I deliberately separated the ! and made the exclamation three !!! to be sure, but it still didn't work ! πŸ˜‰

                              As I see it the only legit way to make 55 with three 'proper' fours and all proper symbols is my...

                              (sqrt(sqrt(4)))(sqrt(4!))(sqrt((sqrt(4!))!))=55

                              TIG

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                              • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                jeff hammond
                                last edited by

                                another using decimals..

                                4.4/.4!! = 55

                                (well, that is if .4!! = .08)

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                                • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                  jeff hammond
                                  last edited by

                                  @tig said:

                                  You misconstrue me !!! I was making an exclamation,

                                  haha
                                  ok, i see now.

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                                  • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                    jeff hammond
                                    last edited by

                                    here's an interesting link (well, sort of.. most of the content is way over my head but.... πŸ˜„ )

                                    trying to represent all numbers 1-12 using only one 4..
                                    http://www.cut-the-knot.org/arithmetic/funny/1_4.shtml

                                    .

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                                    • david_hD Offline
                                      david_h
                                      last edited by

                                      I realize I am tuning in late, but wasnt this a CarTalk Puzzler? how to get to the number 55 using only five 4s?

                                      44 + 44/4 = 55.

                                      If I make it look easy...It is probably easy

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                                      • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                        jeff hammond
                                        last edited by

                                        anyone want to take a stab at this weeks puzzler from the same site?

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        An obscenely wealthy hedge fund manager named Throckmorton Bottomfeeder IV decided to build for himself and his trophy wife, a modest little 40,000 square foot home. It was a stone castle complete with an observation tower at one end that was almost 100 feet high - perfect they thought to spot from afar the first wave of angry and disgruntled investors, the kind with the pitchforks and the torches.

                                        The Bottomfeeders had employed the finest masons in all the land to ensure that their castle was as close to the real thing as possible. As the tower was constructed by a very talented and skilled crew of masons working on the outside, another even more skilled crew constructed a spiraling stone staircase that climbed the inside wall of the stone castle until it reached the observation deck at the top.

                                        Finally, after many months, the castle was completed just in time to coincide with the end of the Bottomfeeders' lengthy vacation. And as you might expect upon their return, the BFs, as we will call them now, scrutinized the construction, pored over every detail and found everything perfect. The workers were brimming with pride. Then they came to the tower and Lady Bottomfeeder stood there in awe. Her eyes followed that spiral stair all the way to the top. Then her jaw dropped. 'This won't do. You must take it down at once to fix it. It's all wrong. You'd never see anything so ill-conceived in Europe. Why, we'll be the laughingstock of the entire world.'

                                        What was she talking about?

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                                        • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                          jeff hammond
                                          last edited by

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          I realize I am tuning in late, but wasnt this a CarTalk Puzzler?

                                          is there a prize?
                                          TIG should submit and win that thousandG!! πŸ˜„

                                          apparently, the answer (or, an answer) will be given tonight..
                                          http://www.cartalk.com/content/puzzler/

                                          edit, ha.. oh wait.. that was last week's puzzle and the answer they gave had decimal points (the same equation as one i used)
                                          i'm claiming BS πŸ’š

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                                          • TIGT Offline
                                            TIG Moderator
                                            last edited by

                                            In Europe almost all spiral [helical] stairs traditionally curve up clockwise.

                                            They originated in castles and such like.
                                            This is so defending knights beleaguered in the tower [and who would be predominantly right-handed] would be at an advantage when fighting intruders coming up the stairs from below them, and who would be wielding their swords in their right-hands awkwardly nearest to the central 'newel' and also have difficulty with their shields on their left arms which would expose there breasts to the upper knight's downward thrusts...

                                            At least that is the traditional explanation as to why the vast majority of such stairs turn in that direction... might be rubbish...

                                            So, having been to Europe Mrs BF knows that a 'proper' spiral staircase curves up clockwise... hers 'goes the wrong way' !!!! πŸ˜‰

                                            TIG

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