"I'm ready to lose control, but they're not"
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@marian said:
I think this is one of those debates in which both sides already made their minds, so any further discussion is useless.
Nice try. Would've worked if were primarely criticizing Tomasz's views. But I'm not, as I'm sure a careful reader would notice.
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@unknownuser said:
@marian said:
I think this is one of those debates in which both sides already made their minds, so any further discussion is useless.
Nice try. Would've worked if were primarely criticizing Tomasz's views. But I'm not, as I'm sure a careful reader would notice.
Darn it.
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@jackson said:
Sorry to do a quantum leap back to the first page of this topic, but that "500,000 plastic coffins" conspiracy theory (like most) is ludicrous.
My point is that group makes sense for me only in case of a big global disaster and they simply want to escape it. Those containers, as you have stated, are supposed to be there in such a case.
I have not implied that they MAKE it happen! I just suggest that they do what they should if what the Red Elk have seen in his vision would happen. -
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Is that proof still coming, Tommie?
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In the case of a global catastophe, the last thing on any survivor's mind would be burying the dead...especially using nice, tidy plastic coffins or liners. They'd be far more concerned with not joining the ranks of the dead themselves.
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@alan fraser said:
In the case of a global catastophe, the last thing on any survivor's mind would be burying the dead...
It is exactly what Red Elk mentions. Those who survived would rather change places with those who has left this World. In case of deaths from hunger or thirst in high temperatures it is better to seal bodies well. Isn't it?
@unknownuser said:
Is that proof still coming, Tommie?
Nope, Stinkin'. You have received already all info required on which I have based my opinion. Two mentioned films are the most important.
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
Is that proof still coming, Tommie?
Nope, Stinkin'. You have received already all info required on which I have based my opinion. Two mentioned films are the most important.
Films. Those bold statements of yours are based on ... films.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Edit: I just have to know. What stopped you from concluding the WTC was destroyed by Godzilla? Mind you, this is very much a serious question.
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I'm not supporting Tomasz, but you guys keep asking for evidence, and there may be none or very few, you don't ask a cop for evidence why he had a hunch following a succesful bust, or ask evidence for god, or ask for evidence why you love that girl, you may not know why, or you can't explain it in words, sometimes it's just a hunch or a leap of faith.
Granted that these examples don't compare to the questions why 911 is an inside job, but they show that people believe in stuff or feel stuff with much less evidence and questions than the ones 911 puts forth.
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@alan fraser said:
Those who doubt the news reports are required to provide evidence...
Alan, those two films are documents containing the news reports, the authors analyse them.
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Marian wrote:
@unknownuser said:
I say if Tomasz can't provide proof or valid arguments, but he still believes in what he believes
Hmmm, sound fimiliar??
They call that religion.
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@solo said:
Marian wrote:
@unknownuser said:
I say if Tomasz can't provide proof or valid arguments, but he still believes in what he believes
Hmmm, sound fimiliar??
They call that religion.
Yes Solo that's towards where i was aiming discreetly, i mean what proof can you ask for the existnece of GOD, people are free to believe in anything they want, it's they're right, even if those things are not enough for you, it's enough for them.
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True - but they shouldn't imply their beliefs are based on fact by insisting they posess proof. Bad form, that.
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Tomasz, that's nonesense. If you are talking about a situation in which the majority of people die, the survivors are not going to be bothering themselves about burying all those bodies in hermetically sealed canisters simply to avoid disease. By far the simplest choice is to simply move to where there aren't any bodies...like out of the cities and into the countryside or onto the coast...where you actually stand a chance of finding something to eat.
In any case, the whole concept of a polarity shift (if that's what you are talking about) causing a wordwide cataclysm is, itself, total nonsense and very bad science. The geological records show that it happens fairly regularly and has almost certainly happened thousands of times before with no evidence of any kind of mass extinction. It's also far more likely to happen perhaps 2000 years from now than a mere 3. A magnetic polarity shift is an extreme inconvenience in this digital age, not a catastrophe. It wouldn't even affect most electronics; it switches extremely slowly...from months to millenia. It's not an electromagnetic pulse; and there's absolutely no reason why it would have any noticeable effect on the weather.
Back to the 9/11 question: Stinkie is absolutely right. Those who doubt the news reports are required to provide evidence...and much better evidence than some movie plot. Otherwise the rest of us have no more reason to doubt what has been reported than we do last Saturday's football results...or maybe they're a conspiracy too; designed to make millions for some gambling syndicate?
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again i think it is a matter of whether you have any doubt about the official saying, or you do not.
On the side of the official saying it is all said.
On the side of the un_official saying it is still cooking.
If you doubt the proofs and evidences of the official saying you are required to prove it.
Ok.
Fair enough.
only thing is that it should not be taken as an attack to usa democracy the people who investigates now.In any case, we will probably never get to know what really happened. So may be the question is unprofitable.
Maybe the question should be, how is it that those towers were vanished because of the hate of the people who hates USA ?
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My point is ...
I have no point.Elisei
PS:Media always made things worse(edited)!!!!!
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@unknownuser said:Has USA done anything to them to be hated so greatly ?
Had Nagasaki and Hiroshima done anything to be hated so greatly?
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isn t that wurst ? -
In German, yeah. Not in Dutch.
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@unknownuser said:
@ely862me said:
PS:Media always made thinks worst!!!!!
Mmm ... worst.
Granted ... worst pun ever.
Thanks stinkie...I just spit coffee all over my screen. Damn good one, that was.
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@ely862me said:
Had Nagasaki and Hiroshima done anything to be hated so greatly?
That's bad comparison.
It was a declared war against a nation, not a nebulous group that can hide amongst an otherwise innocent civilian population. It was also believed at the time that the cost of invading the Japanese homeland with troops would have caused more casualties than the use of the bomb. Unfortunately, the use of the bomb caused awful casualties, and all of them on the Japanese side.
I dislike armchair quarterbacking this decision because none of us were alive at the time to understand what was happening, and none of us were present or are privy to the analysis of the information that led to the decision to use the bomb. The bomb is a terrible weapon, but when it was believed that every man, woman and child on the Japanese homeland would be willing to sacrifice themselves to kill an Allied soldier - what was to be done? With the hatred of the atomic bomb and the knowledge of its terrible effects today, it might be easier to think an invasion might not be such a bad idea; but that's a decision made with the luxury of hindsight.
Atomic bombs during declared war between two nations does not equal suicide bombs or aircraft hijackings against an unsuspecting nation.
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