Scenes, Scene Manager
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Gai,
thanks for having a look,
It is the most "organized" mess that I can currently come up with as my outliner still crashes even if I have nothing else on or running open. so I have not fully "organized" my organizer.
I appreciate your time, I do hope to figure this out as it seems core to having SU work for me and my needs. It currently does not, maybe I should just quick model and then go to another CAD Program to do the things I want / and need to do.
It seemed SU had promise, but I have hugely invested time into this with limited results.
But the carrot that keeps me going is the results I have seen particularly the renderings.
thanks again.
aloha
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Red,
Scenes should exactly behave as you described. Make a very simple model,please,with only a couple of layers and scenes so that we can go on the steps needed for you to fully understand (that building was too much for me)
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Per your request,
here is a new small model.
and it works....so what is hidden in the "mess" that I gotta take out?
I will "simplify" the original plan to see if that works.
thanks
aloha
red
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One more thought, Red. I haven't checked your model from this point of view but I do honestly hope you haven't assigned any ungrouped ("raw" or "primitive") geometry on any other than Layer 0? Also, you have never changed the active layer to anything else than Layer 0, have you?
Now THAT would make a real mess of your model.
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Yup, I agree with Gaieus. It should be working exactly as you describe. The only thing I can think is that you have some mix ups with layers and hidden groups. I don't normally hide groups, so I'm trying to think how that might affect the outcome. But I tihnk that it should not change anything. So test it out on a smaller model and see if you can get the workflow down in something simple first. Then extrapolate onto a more complex model.
Oh, and I was unclear, I meant to say that you should turn off all desired layers, not all layers entirely.
And also, you shouldn't ned to press the update button in the scene creation process. THat is only used when you are trying to change an existing scene really.
When I get out of the hospital (I'll post in the corner bar about that...) I can make a video that shows the process click by click, but that won't be until Friday afternoon at the scoonest.
Good luck, you'll get it. Scenes are really useful once you get them working smoothly,
Chris
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If you do have raw geometry or geometry inside groups on layers other than zero, TIG has an awesome script to fix that up.
And if you got it to work on a small model, but not on a large, I'd say it sounds like an issue with how you're hiding things.
Chris
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I hope nothing serious, Chris (you'd be too young for that
)Anyway,back to your "light" model. I noticed that there is the primitive geometry on Layer 0 (fine). Then you group it and place the group onto (say) Layer Wall. Still fine. But then why do you make another group (again on layer 0) to put this latter group (on layer wall) inside?
Mixing things like this can eventually lead to some confusion.
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Thanks again guys.
"If you do have raw geometry or geometry inside groups on layers other than zero, TIG has an awesome script to fix that up."
okay, how do I get that because that probably is the issue, I just don't know a "time effective" way to do it as I spent most of today trying to sort out a basic issue that I could have done by hand in 1/2 hour...cannot bill my client for this.
Again thanks.
here is my "lite" mess. it still does not want to work within "scenes".
TIG link?
aloha
red
p.s. G, yes the little model had some groups within groups that somehow got there but I did not clean up, I think that most of my bigger model is clean, but then again.... -
Here is the plugin:
http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=7638
let's see (hope) if it helps. -
I found who TIG is,
and I don't quite know how to install a ruby that is "text" that says just drop in the plugin folder, I can do that with a folder with icon but text?
thanks
aloha
red -
If you download the file (right click on the link and "save as" or similar), it is indeed a text file with a special"rb" extension. Just simply save that text file in that folder and that's it.
If it opens as text in your browser,just copy the whole thing and paste it into a plain text editor like notepad in Windows (you must also have something like that on Mac) but NOT in a Word processor and save it as an "rb" file where needed.
It's time to start using plugins anyway, I guess. Have a look at this ext5ensions index:
http://www.sketchucation.com/extensions-index/
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I've struggled with layers for a while having made edits to one object on a layer only to find my default layer was another layer. It was really confusing until I twigged.
Scenes seemed to hold promise. I could create a scene that only displayed the layer I wanted to tinker with. What is annoying though is that the default layer is not saved along with a scene. This means that if I'm currently working on the Ground Floor layer, say, and I switch to the scene that only shows the First Floor layer then both ground floor detail AND first floor detail are displayed until I manually change my default layer to First Floor and then hide the ground floor in the Layers dialogue.
Surely Scenes should embed your default layer or at least have an option to save it if you want to.
... or have I missed the point entirely?
Peter
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This is one reason why the general advice is; never change your active layer from Layer0 to anything else. You shouldn't be drawing (primitives/raw geometry) anywhere else than Layer0.
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