2012
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I have no doubt, "amigo"!
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Right.
I am willing to argue that the value of a belief, of any belief, lies in its, err, holder's doubt and pain. Regurgitating dogmata and verses, being certain - that's easy. Oh well. Guess that not everyone can soar to Kierkegaardian heights, eh?
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Guys,
In the name of christianity, there were/are a lot of denominations, clubs, mafia organizations (including inquisition), crusades, different diversionist groups, industry etc.
They were/are auto-intituled as “christians”, to produce confusion and disorder among ignorant people.To be christian, means to live like Jesus Christ…
-What was wrong in Jesus life?
-Nothing.Apostle Paul wrote:
“… it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” (Galatians 2:20)Open your eyes, my friends!
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C*mon...it s time to stop this...the Word is spread ...if nobody it s interested let it go..that doesn t mean the nonbeliever are right,not at all..But somehow we get distanced each other and for the moment this is not good.
Live in peace..as it s written Romans 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.So lets hear from all of you Amen to that!!
Peace!
Elisei
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"A religion contradicting science and a science contradicting religion are equally false."
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C'mon, Alan. You might as well be quoting Madame Blavatsky.
"The scientific temper of mind is cautious, tentative, and piecemeal; it does not imagine that it knows the whole truth, or that even its best knowledge is wholly true. It knows that every doctrine needs emendation sooner or later, and that the necesary emendation requires freedom of investigation and freedom of discussion."
- Bertrand Russel
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Just getting out my big wooden spoon.
OK then, Matthew 7:1
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Exodus 21:24. Hah!
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Yeah! Gimme that old time religion.
But let's not get started on the contradictions between the OT and the NT.
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@tomsdesk said:
@unknownuser said:
...you cannot pass over and neglect God’s words/will, endlessly!
Why not?
He's sort of right in a twisted way. I think that technically you can't ignore something that does not exist. It's the old 'Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or no?' conundrum.
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Tim,
At first, “you cannot pass over and neglect God” because He has everything under control!Alan wrote:
“But let's not get started on the contradictions between the OT and the NT.”
Practically, who did study entire Bible, realised that in OT is hidden NT and in NT is discovered/explained OT!Cornel
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@unknownuser said:
There is only one Living God, who is over all and through all and in all.
There is no ‘place’ for extra 'veritable' gods!
what's the devil then.. that thing(he?) is a part of christianity right? he's a god, no?
-- Hammond 20:39 (est)
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Jeff,
All entities as angel, devil, archangel, cherub, seraphim, they were direct created by God, and they cannot procreate. They aren’t gods, even sometimes they are named as “sons of God”. All of them have different restrictions – they are limited.Cornel
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Stinkie,
Step up from that “Exodus 21:24”…, for example to Matthew 5:44 (take, please, entire Bible, don’t be tendentious!):“But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you!”
Cornel
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Alan,
I like your chosen verse, respective Matthew 7:1:
“Judge not, that you be not judged.”It goes ‘side by side’ w/ this one:
“For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.” (1 Corinthians 11:31)Cornel
P.S.: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” (John 7:24) -
@unknownuser said:
Jeff,
All entities as angel, devil, archangel, cherub, seraphim, they were direct created by God, and they cannot procreate. They aren’t gods, even sometimes they are named as “sons of God”. All of them have different restrictions – they are limited.Cornel
so god created absolutely everything.
he created evil but then says don't go near it or you will be punished and burn for all eternity.
creates the desire for a man to love a man but it's one of the worst things to christians. etcetc...for someone that can design something as functional as the human hand, he sure screwed up with some of the simpler things.. ie - evil is a no-no so why create it in the first place? crime, war, greed, homosexuality, racism, all that ish.. why make it in the first place??
i really don't get the logic at all [really]
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@unknownuser said:
so god created absolutely everything.
he created evil ...i really don't get the logic at all [really]
The logic is in a free will of all creation, including those who suggested that Our Father has something to hide from us. That he doesn't share all knowledge that he has. I am talking here about the 'father of a lie'.
We are free Jeff. We can do whatever we want, good and evil. It is hard to recognise what is good and what is evil only with reasoning. We can discover and learn that our hearts can distinguish it far more easily than our minds. 'Do not judge' relates to a usage of a pure reasoning when looking at someone else. One can harm a person a lot with a false accusation. Heart can reach deeper and see what the reason can not recognise.
It is you and me who decide what we bring to the World.
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The concept of an omniscient God makes no sense. If you know everything, then paradoxically you can’t know everything.
For instance, if you are ex-temporal and can see the future then you can’t know what surprise or disappointment are…or hope, or fear…or anything else that depends on not knowing what’s going to happen next. So you are not omniscient.If you think about it, these are pretty much all the qualities that define us as human beings....other than love. Playing devil's advocate, some might argue that it's a bit rich being judged on being human by some entity that has no idea what it's like to be human.
If, on the other hand, you don't exist outside of time and space and don’t know what the future holds…then, again, you’re not omniscient.
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