2012
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"What is man..."?!Remus and Alan,
While I affirmed that
“until now, I didn’t meet a person that can stand on his own and take responsibility for himself...”,
I mentioned olso that apart God we can do nothing. (John 15:5)Conclusion: there is a possibility to stand..., but conditioned!
Please, do not denature my message!Cornel
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@alan fraser said:
I was thinking something similar. Most people usually take responsibility for their own actions. As to where we would be without the strictures of Christianity…the answer is probably not very far from where we are now. Obviously, our entire cultural and Architectural heritage is predicated upon Christianity, but basic morality is fairly universal.
The British Celts that were invaded by the Romans were very far from being Christian, but they had a society in which women could attain the highest positions. It took Christianity another 2000 years to catch up with that…and Islam still has a long way to go in that respect. They also took responsibility for the young and the old and the handicapped…at a time when the Romans were casually disposing of unwanted infants on the local rubbish dump.It still looks a really cheesy movie, though.
Actually under Emperor Justinian I particularly due to the efforts of Theodora, his empress, women achieved unprecedented social political and legislative stature. It didn't last though. The Islam thing is also false. Historically women in Islamic worlds achieved higher legal status than most western christian countries at the time, most important of which is the legal ownership of property (pre-marriage ofcourse) the right to divorce which was not common in the West until 19/20th century. Thing in the Islamic worlds are being portrayed as going into regression by the western media however that is also unture. For every countires like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan we also have more than seven head of states including Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, Mame Madior Boye of Senegal, Tansu Çiller of Turkey, Queen Rania of Jordan, Kaqusha Jashari of Kosovo, Megawati Sukarnoputri of Indonesia and Bangladesh was the first country in the world to have a female head-of-state follow one another four times between Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina — each winning two elections each. Something the US has yet to achieve.
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Well, I’d count Justinian and Theodora as more Byzantine Greek than Roman, Chango, although I certainly recognise Theodora’s emancipated views as well as her humble origins. I take your point, but in the Western Empire of the 1st century AD…contemporary with the Celts…the plain fact is that most women…however patrician…had very few rights at all.
And Benazir Bhutto may have headed the state, but what’s the position of the average female in Pakistan? -
@alan fraser said:
Well, I’d count Justinian and Theodora as more Byzantine Greek than Roman, Chango, although I certainly recognise Theodora’s emancipated views as well as her humble origins. I take your point, but in the Western Empire of the 1st century AD…contemporary with the Celts…the plain fact is that most women…however patrician…had very few rights at all.
And Benazir Bhutto may have headed the state, but what’s the position of the average female in Pakistan?Well I am not sure if I mentioned whether Justinian is Byzantine in my post which he certainly is? Where did that come from? On another note is Byzantine Empire not also calld the Eastern Roman Empire? I don't think anybody is going to dispute the position of 'average female in Pakistan' or what ever construct you deem that to be. One has to remember Pakistan is a 3rd world country. When have you been to a third world country where womens rights are greatly upheald? Economics and peoples rights are intimately interwined it would appear. Which makes it even more shameful, not less that the US has not had a female president.
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@unknownuser said:
Re. family ‘atributes’, reproduction is one of the primary functions - it excludes gay people!
You're making a really good run at proving you're deranged. You also demonstrate a serious lack of historical knowledge, biological knowledge and ability to understand actual facts. I suggest you either learn some science or just leave.
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Tim,
I’m enormous sorry for you ; you didn’t reach the ‘target’ – I’m not intimidated by you!
-Why?! -Because I accumulated many deceniums of “knowledge and ability to understand actual facts.” Non multa, sed multum, it’s true, but not negligible…!I’m modest: I finished/received only two Masters, several Majors and many Certified diplomas, in various fields, I read tons of books, I learned tens of extensive computer programs, etc.
…but I’m not obtuse!Regards: Cornel
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lol. You sampling the Pater Noster? Did I get that right? It's been a while!
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Back to 2012 …?!
Farah Fawcett - died;
Michael Jackson - died;
Many Others – died…A.y.c.s., more important than 2012 is our next minute, which, in fact, isn’t ours…!
Are we prepared to die in the near future?!
Keep in mind that we are tripartite (body, soul and spirit) beings, and we have to know the ‘status’ of each our component. Before God, our Creator, we are (i)responsible for all of them (3), and our attitude will mark us for eternity.God commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead. (See Acts 17:30-31)
Get ready to face God!
Cornel
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@unknownuser said:
…but I’m not obtuse!
Evidently you gained all these certifications (not as many as I did from the looks of things; I actually was a Major until promoted) without learning enough to actually understand much. Since you're incapable of taking part in a worthwhile discussion I suppose we'll just have to ignore you.
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Tim,
It’s up to you…Evidently you can ignore me, but you cannot pass over and neglect God’s words/will, endlessly!
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- "Why not?"
- Because you (having good sense or judgment) desire to be in peace with God, don’t you!
“Do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. ”
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@juanv.soler said:
Here is a link for an interesting movie talking about the 2012
from México. http://www.creerescrear.com/It was a great joy for me to watch the film. I learn something new everyday.
Currently when I am self-employed I can go in whatever direction I want, but in the same time, I have full responsibility for my actions. It is much less comfortable situation than seating in an office as an employee. I take it as a opportunity to believe in my own ideas that I carry in my heart and to make them happen. It is far more enjoyable to be creative instead of taking what someone else told you to do.
It is significant that many people, despite their different backgrounds, systems of beliefs, start to think similar and head in the same direction, just to mention the author of the film - Santiago Pando, Gregg Braden, Red Elk and David Icke.
For those of you who find religions as the main source of evil in the world, does it necessary force you to reject existence of a spirit? What about your own consciousness? Is it just solely a product of your brain?
There is a lot of things to discover in the world of spirit. Our civilisation is developing rapidly technology-wise and just recently wakes up to realize the power of our imagination, dreams, faith and will.
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David Icke:
"'Empirical, replicable research published by ICAR, the International Community for Alien Research, confirms that a hyperdimensional civilization consisting of amphibian reptilian hybrids and Gray cybernetic clones, have reportedly abducted approximately 1 billion out of the current estimated human population of 6,783,421,727 as of May 31, 2009 or approximately 14.7 percent of the present world population. "
Red Elk:
"I have taught 9 who now levitate, 35 who go into the past/future, 7 or more who can become invisible."
Gregg Braden:
"We’ve got powerful video documentation of just how quickly the physical world responds to this language. In one video, we see a woman who is diagnosed with an inoperable, cancerous tumor, in the presence of three practitioners who are trained in this language we’re talking about. Through ultrasound, you see that tumor melt away and literally vanish from the screen."
Good stuff, Tomasz, thanks!
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@unknownuser said:
- Because you (having good sense or judgment) desire to be in peace with God, don’t you!
I am already at peace with my existance...and I share that peace with all who find me peacefully.
@unknownuser said:
“Do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
I am fully aware of this gift I've been given...and have no need to repent for accepting it respectfully.
@unknownuser said:
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God. ”(Romans 2:4-5)
I will stand on this "day of judgment" with a calm heart, as I do every day, knowing I have done the best I can with what I have been given. I have no need to prepare for any day by joining a club whose members must feel unworthy to belong and fear "wrath" as a consequence of living.
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Tomasz and Stinkie,
Re. that link to …creerescrear…:Naïve people can be hypnotized (intoxicated) by that mixture of subtile commercials, New Age truncated ideas, mysticism, pseudo-scientism, etc.
presented by those half-illuminists…
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Cornel, just out of curiosity, how old is your estimation of our universe?
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Tom,
you pretend that you are an exception (a 'standard' guy), butthe Scripture mentions, for example this :
"There is no one righteous, not even one" (Romans 3:10)
...or that:
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
or..., or...God's standard is different than ours..., but, through Jesus (only), we can fulfili its 'requirements'!
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@unknownuser said:
Cornel, just out of curiosity, how old is your estimation of our universe?
Groan! That should be good for another 4 pages.
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