The Obama Deception - Number #1 in Google Video

jeff hammond

It's probably just me, but I tend to get suspicious whenever someone claims to have "woken up". Because all this conspiracy stuff kinda looks like a contemporary substitute for religion to me - yet another belief system to quiet man's yearning to 'look behind the veil'. "Woken up" sounds like "saw the light" to me.

i agree with this though it could just be a semantics issue..

ultimately, the quote put up by adam:

@earthmover said:

The issue is as Buckminster Fuller said, "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."

has a lot of truth in it.. we can fight this type of crap all we want but until there's a real change, everything will stay the same only in a different package.. roman empire, hitler, etc.. history just keeps repeating itself because we as humans haven't really changed..

i love this clip of Jiddu Krishnamurti as shown in zeitgeist addendum.. (follow the related videos for more of his speech)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BORmMu1quo&feature=related

listen to him speak.. he's offering very real answers as to what really has to happen.. we as a whole need to switch up our entire way of thinking or this crap is just going to continue until we're gone..
hmm.. maybe another 500 years or so if no one hits the nuke button before then..

solo

Okay, we now 'see the light', what shall we do?

Lets look at another historical 'see the light moment', the French revolution.
The working class 'saw the light' and revolted against the manipulating power hungry elite, slaughtered them in the streets and replaced them with another dictator.

Stinkie

I keep wondering what needs to change? What's this 'crap' we oughta be figthing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious. I am asking, because, from where I'm standing, life in the West (North America + Western Europe) looks pretty easy. Most of us aren't starving, far from it, and there's probably no secret agents hiding in the trees in our backyards. Hell, these times probably are the easiest ever! (For us Westerners, that is.)

"Okay, we now 'see the light', what shall we do?"

I say we kick back with a couple of beers 'til that light starts dancing.

tomsdesk

Anybody have a link to a synopsis of "reasonable points" in the video referred to by the reasonable people in this discussion? I just can't seem to make myself listen to 2 hours of what I've watched so far, in the three times I've tried, in order to find the points that have impressed you all?

tomasz

@solo said:

Okay, we now 'see the light', what shall we do?

I think you can find one of possible answers in Zeitgeist - Addendum - 4th chapter.
I am not personally convinced that the science has a power to be our saviour, as authors suggest. It has been proven that science without moral principles will not necessary lead the humanity to where we all would like to be.

And back to the main topic, my first post in this thread... I think that Alex Johnes has not much to offer except destruction of an old order. Mentioned Addendum proposes something different - building independent movement that will eventually make old rules obsolete. Altough, as I have written, the proposed methods does not convince me.

Tomasz

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

It has been proven that science without moral principles will not necessary lead the humanity to where we all would like to be.

Science has nothing to do with morality. Nada.

A few questions:

Who has proven this?
What was the topic of their research?
What was the exact result of their research?

In other words: please back up your claim.

paulside

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Yes the super-rich manipulate society, cause wars for their own personal gain, influence politicians; even bring down governments. So what's new?

So what do we do then, just let them - in our name?

I'm in complete agreement with with Coen on this, people need to wake up and face the reality of whats being engineered covertly.

I was in denial to until I took the time to read up and look into the true eyewitness accounts and testimonies of what really happened in 9/11 and 7/7

Once you've done that you will realise:

A control system capable of doing this, is capable of anything.
Just how gullible, vunerable and detached the vast majority of people have become, (Including me prior to waking up)
That you have been trying to defend the indefensible for so long believing it just couldn't possible be so, until a little voice inside says
" Wait a minute something isn't right here"'
Everything throughout history has and is being manipulated for one outcome.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

Science has nothing to do with morality. Nada.

Stinkie, If you would think a little bit more about what I have written, you would have found answers for both questions yourself.

Have I written that it does? I have written about science WITHOUT morality. Science is not a morality. The thing is that scientists are not machines, but people who can have moral principles. Is it so hard to understand? Same applies to people that use results of scientific experiments.

@unknownuser said:

A few questions:

Who has proven this?

What was the topic of their research?

What was the exact result of their research?
In other words: please back up your claim.

The Manhattan Project
Nuclear Bomb
Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Teezer

@unknownuser said:

It has been proven that science without moral principles will not necessary lead the humanity to where we all would like to be.

Nothing will lead humanity to "where we all would like to be," because we would all like to be in different places.

tomasz

@teezer said:

Nothing will lead humanity to "where we all would like to be," because we would all like to be in different places.
Sure! But No-one would like to be in Hiroshima on that day.
Are you getting the point?

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

Have I written that it does? I have written about science WITHOUT morality.

The mind boggles. I give up.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

The mind boggles. I give up.

Why it doesn't surprise me? Read the whole thing and do not look for excuses.

@unknownuser said:

The thing is that scientists are not machines, but people who can have moral principles. Is it so hard to understand? Same applies to people that use results of scientific experiments.

Was the proof not good enough?

Stinkie

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

? What a game are you playing? Ten questions to Tomasz? Use encyclopedia instead.

@unknownuser said:

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

First you specify what did you mean by horseshit. Do you relate to the thread or discussion with me. If the second, I won't reply you.

Anyway it went too far off from the main topic.

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

? What a game are you playing? Ten questions to Tomasz? Use encyclopedia instead.

Tomasz - are you kidding me? Really, are ya?

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

First you specify what did you mean by horseshit. Do you relate to the thread or discussion with me. If the second, I won't reply you.

I meant the latter, obviously. You haven't written a single sentence in this thread that isn't completely flawed both on a logical and a rhetorical level. As I said: horsesh*t. What else do you want me to call it? It is what it is.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

You haven't written a single sentence in this thread that isn't completely flawed both on a logical and a rhetorical level. As I said: horsesh*t.

I will not play same ugly game you are playing. It makes me sad, cause you have shown the man you are.

paulside

Come on Guys.

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

In the meantime observe the daily pattern of covert global control

Problem - Reaction - Solution

remus

@paulside said:

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

not a great choice of words

pbacot

@paulside said:

Come on Guys.

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

In the meantime observe the daily pattern of covert global control

Problem - Reaction - Solution

I'm all for global control. Me controlling of course.

paulside

@unknownuser said:

I'm all for global control. Me controlling of course.

Its a simple three step process when you have the necessary control:

Create a problem covertly, (actual or percieved) - WMD, Credit Crunch, Terrorism, Religious Divisions, Rascism.
Invoke and Sympathise with the reaction, ("this can't go on something must be done we can't let them get away with this")
Offer the Pre planned solution, (This is what we need to do - Suckers, this is what we wanted all along)

or to put it into our context:

A) Sabotage your PC (She'll never know or find out )

B) Tell the wife you really don't want to change the PC just yet, but you may just have to.(You know you want to )

C) Go buy the 8 core beast you've always wanted (I would have never got this if I had just asked )

The A,B,C would of course be mildly amusing if it weren't for the innocent lives lost in the 1,2,3

I sincerly hope I am wrong,

DO THE RESEARCH

I Rest my case