The Obama Deception - Number #1 in Google Video

tomasz

Science has nothing to do with morality. Nada.

Stinkie, If you would think a little bit more about what I have written, you would have found answers for both questions yourself.

Have I written that it does? I have written about science WITHOUT morality. Science is not a morality. The thing is that scientists are not machines, but people who can have moral principles. Is it so hard to understand? Same applies to people that use results of scientific experiments.

@unknownuser said:

A few questions:

Who has proven this?

What was the topic of their research?

What was the exact result of their research?
In other words: please back up your claim.

The Manhattan Project
Nuclear Bomb
Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Teezer

@unknownuser said:

It has been proven that science without moral principles will not necessary lead the humanity to where we all would like to be.

Nothing will lead humanity to "where we all would like to be," because we would all like to be in different places.

tomasz

@teezer said:

Nothing will lead humanity to "where we all would like to be," because we would all like to be in different places.
Sure! But No-one would like to be in Hiroshima on that day.
Are you getting the point?

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

Have I written that it does? I have written about science WITHOUT morality.

The mind boggles. I give up.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

The mind boggles. I give up.

Why it doesn't surprise me? Read the whole thing and do not look for excuses.

@unknownuser said:

The thing is that scientists are not machines, but people who can have moral principles. Is it so hard to understand? Same applies to people that use results of scientific experiments.

Was the proof not good enough?

Stinkie

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

? What a game are you playing? Ten questions to Tomasz? Use encyclopedia instead.

@unknownuser said:

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

First you specify what did you mean by horseshit. Do you relate to the thread or discussion with me. If the second, I won't reply you.

Anyway it went too far off from the main topic.

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Would you mind defining "proof"? While you're at it, do you have a definition handy for "science"?

? What a game are you playing? Ten questions to Tomasz? Use encyclopedia instead.

Tomasz - are you kidding me? Really, are ya?

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Fck - I'd promised myself I'd not get sucked into this horsesht any further.

First you specify what did you mean by horseshit. Do you relate to the thread or discussion with me. If the second, I won't reply you.

I meant the latter, obviously. You haven't written a single sentence in this thread that isn't completely flawed both on a logical and a rhetorical level. As I said: horsesh*t. What else do you want me to call it? It is what it is.

tomasz

@unknownuser said:

You haven't written a single sentence in this thread that isn't completely flawed both on a logical and a rhetorical level. As I said: horsesh*t.

I will not play same ugly game you are playing. It makes me sad, cause you have shown the man you are.

paulside

Come on Guys.

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

In the meantime observe the daily pattern of covert global control

Problem - Reaction - Solution

remus

@paulside said:

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

not a great choice of words

pbacot

@paulside said:

Come on Guys.

Lets all just agree to disagree and wake up to the deceit at different times

In the meantime observe the daily pattern of covert global control

Problem - Reaction - Solution

I'm all for global control. Me controlling of course.

paulside

@unknownuser said:

I'm all for global control. Me controlling of course.

Its a simple three step process when you have the necessary control:

Create a problem covertly, (actual or percieved) - WMD, Credit Crunch, Terrorism, Religious Divisions, Rascism.
Invoke and Sympathise with the reaction, ("this can't go on something must be done we can't let them get away with this")
Offer the Pre planned solution, (This is what we need to do - Suckers, this is what we wanted all along)

or to put it into our context:

A) Sabotage your PC (She'll never know or find out )

B) Tell the wife you really don't want to change the PC just yet, but you may just have to.(You know you want to )

C) Go buy the 8 core beast you've always wanted (I would have never got this if I had just asked )

The A,B,C would of course be mildly amusing if it weren't for the innocent lives lost in the 1,2,3

I sincerly hope I am wrong,

DO THE RESEARCH

I Rest my case

solo

Getting back to topic...kinda, okay we have conspiracy (I will purposely leave out the theory part as we are now assuming it to be true) and the conspiracy is destroying our lives and so damned uncomfortable and dire that something needs to be done (I cannot see it but for the sake of this hypothetical scenario we will assume).
So we will look at history and reminisce about a time we were free from such money and power hungry elites, a time we were free from such manipulations, a time.... hold on, there never was such a time!
We have always been controlled and decieved by a higher group of greedy bastards, be it the Church, the Roman empire, the royals, etc.
So what we are really looking for is the exact thing we are accusing them of aiming for, we want a NEW WORLD ORDER, as living free of such devious oppression would indeed be a new world as we have never had such a situation.

How would this new transparent, evil elite free utopia work?

Stinkie

@solo said:

How would this new transparent, evil elite free utopia work?

It wouldn't. Homo homini lupus est - thus he needs governing and policing. Which means there's always going to be a breeding ground for corruption and abuse of power.

JuanV.Soler

Homo homini lupus est

That is exactly the point. That is what they haved teached us. That is what the power wants.
But it is not.
And that is what we have to learn. We are so slaved to everything that we forget we can look at each other in another way. A much better way.

Hello everybody, back again.

remus

Humans are crap at doing stuff without someone pointing them in the right direction, though. Imagine trying to build a warehouse with only a collection of tradesmen. Nothing is going to get done until someone comes forward and starts telling people what to do.

tomsdesk

@solo said:

How would this new transparent, evil elite free utopia work?

I certainly hope it doesn't involve those less fortunate than me and mine dictating our situation.

linea

Right, my two cents;

I have looked into the origins of the phrase "Conspiracy theory". Calling the opposite point of view "a conspiracy theory" is a slur that may have started in the Nixon era, and we all know what a fine upstanding guy he turned out to be. It doesn't matter how much conflicting evidence there is, once the media brand something a conspiracy theory there is not much room left for any sensible debate. The conservative majority of the public won't want to align themselves with conspiracy theorists (because that sounds like it might involve a tinfoil hat or worse still, mean that you are supporting anarchists, terrorists, communists, hippies etc, etc).
When, if, the s**** hits the fans and everything is in broad daylight, these people will forget that they ever dismissed these topics as conspiracy theories. But either side could be wrong.

On a positive note, as I think Solo is trying to point out, you can get all depressed and angry after listening to Alex Jones or you can decide to make some changes yourself and step off the path to a NWO. This shouldn't mean bloody revolution. It could mean growing your own food or sourcing locally manufactured or fair trade consumer goods. This takes alot of power away from the corporations and the politicians that they support.

IMO - feel free to pull it apart.

jeff hammond

@solo said:

How would this new transparent, evil elite free utopia work?

'evil elite free utopia' might be pushing the realistic possibilities and i'm willing to assume that advanced civilizations that have been around for a million+ years still have issues in this dept.

personally, i don't have an answer and i doubt it's even possible for anybody to have a real answer.. it's an organic process but we can control the nutrients to an extent..

imo- the vast majority of all of our problems can be traced directly back to money.

there are people out there that can buy an entire country if they so choose (and while it's basically impossible to buy a country in a standard type transaction, it definitely happens in a more camouflaged way). SERIOUSLY, why does anybody need to own a country.. what that translates to is if the money man would simply share his cash, everybody in ecuador would have a place to live (amongst many other things)... for free! Instead, that money man chooses to buy the country as an investment.. one way that can occur is by loaning the country say $200billion so that country can install a national power grid, infrastructure, buy weapons, etc.. now, that country owes moneyman 200billion PLUS interest (PLUS overinflated rates on electricity via moneyman's new dam) and it will never be repayable.. instead of sharing the money with the country and helping the people, the country is placed in debt and the citizens (who personally, very rarely see any of the "stimulus package") are now responsible for that debt.. they are the slaves that are attempting to repay the interest.. moneyman just bought people! not a fresh boatload of 25 africans -- 50million slaves at once...
(oh, and if said country won't allow this scam to happen, just go in and bomb them and/or assassinate the evil doers)

now, i know it sounds crazy to suggest this type of sharing. is it really that crazy though? attn: parents (esp. parents of two or more) -- Mine! Mine! you've all heard it .. we see it on a weekly basis in our children.. for this reason, i believe a basic form of greed in programmed into us.. it's an instinct but we also have a consciousness that has the ability to override this urge.. when one of my daughters gets into a MINE mood, i witness first hand the type of destruction it causes.. i'm left with crying kids.. mad kids etc.. from an outside point of view, i can fully see a better situation if the Mine!mood didn't occur.. they'd both be playing with said object, both would be in a better mood and generally enjoying each other's company..

i'd be willing to bet that everyone here knows that type of situation and everyone here would try to squelch the situation and/or encourage the child to share (or maybe even discipline the child for not sharing).. there are a few reasons why we want to shut down that type of behavior.. one, it's plain ol' bad manners but we also know everyone involved will be better off if the situation hadn't occurred (including US!).. why then, should this type of decent behavior not be encouraged in adults?