The Obama Deception - Number #1 in Google Video
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@solo said:
Like our current financial mess we are in, how does one fix it? who knows, but I can say you start with the banks, as if lending does not continue soon then none of the other schemes can ever work.
Yep Pete you are right and Remus also. As I admitted on an other thread, I had no idea how the Monetary System actually worked until I went through the trouble of watching the two links on Tomasz's post, MONEY =DEBT! The 'penny has dropped' for me now (excuse the bad pun
).From what I can see / understand, the current system is reaching its 'natural' end. Most man derived systems have a beginning and an end. It appears so because they are built on bad foundations and the current Monetary System most definitely falls into this category.
I agree with you Pete, that shouting at the Power Money guys through bull horns is not going to achieve much except maybe some question asking. This was the case with me and I am thankful it did.
I did a little research on what is being offered as an alternative system and spent most of the day checking out the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project http://www.thevenusproject.com/index.php. I also watched a very informative video which explained the Resource Based Economy, which looks to be a possible alternative the our current failing Monetary System. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261 Now before anyone starts calling these 'crack pot' systems, first tell me that the current system we have is not crack pot.
The points that struck me were,
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Government as we know it would become irrelevant. They would ONLY be service providers NOT decision makers. All decisions would be made by computers based on the input of the Worldwide population. Hey! its not that incredible. I am having a discussion with you in Texas and the UK .... 5000 and 500 miles or so away! And we could be doing it in realtime. Hey the heck should we elect politicians based on there promises then let them loose to do exactly what they and the Power Money People want for periods of 4 - 5 years with little or no further input?
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The Resource Based System would be based on technology, sustainability and equilibrium with the planet. What attracted me was that there would be no need for Bankers, Advertising Agencies (so no TV ad breaks, has to be a good move) and no Lawers, well very few of them, this also has be a good thing
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There would be NO MONEY. Everything a person needs would be manufactured by automated machinery and supplied on demand. I imagine choice would be limited BUT again I think over choice is a huge problem these days. Heck, everyone would have an Apple Mac
I can remember when there was limited choice in products and I feel I had more time to enjoy the important things in life instead of wondering if I had made the right choice. I recently was looking at a selection of flat screen TVs. There were rows and rows of them to choose from, all offering much the same quality, possibly even having the same guts.
Only 5% of the population would actually have to be involved in the manufacturing supevising processes. I imagine these roles would have to be shared by all, possibly a weeks work eaach per year. Hey, this is sounding better by the minute
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There would be very little crime as there would be no need to steal. So no huge police force or jails. Most crime is money driven except for acts of jealousy, mental problems and such. In these cases help and re education would be given.
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There would be no need for religion as we know it, only philosophical debate to reach agreement. I suppose it could be argued that this deal sounds like the Garden of Eden, so in a way it could be regarded as regilious from a Jewish / Christian stance.
Okay, it know some may say this sounds like communism and I suppose in a way it is BUT its a nice sort of communism ...... I think!
Please check out the videos, they are probably more thought provoking than much of the garbage on TV. I would like to hear your thoughts.
Mike
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Pete said
@unknownuser said:The thing about conspiracy theories is they are based loosely on facts, taking in sound bites, misinformation, titbits of this and that and formulated to construct a picture
Evolution was effectively labelled a conspiracy theory by the christian church who thought it was a ploy to undermine them.
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However religion is the conspiracy theory that hides the truth about evolution.
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OMG. David Icke, the guy who thinks that most world leaders are alien shape-shifting lizards?
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Soundbites, that's all it is, some creative editing, all that you need is some Pink Floyd music, a guy shaving his eye brows to complete it.
all together now..."tear down the wall"
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
I'm not getting into any debate here, nor will say that you need to view this movie or that it is this or that. Do as you please.
I agree with Coen on this,
all I will do is quote from a man far cleverer than us:
"Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of Ignorance"
Albert Einstien
(I bet he would have solved the shadow bug by now
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How long before this thread is completely GONE
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I don't understand quoting Albert. I have been viewing many of the videos that are available also the facts / documents that are being produced. I have a feeling that the people denying that questions need to be answered ARE the people not doing the investigating.
I suppose many of you still accept that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK
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Thanks for putting this out there Coen.....and Tomasz for the debt videos. It's been for almost 10 years that I have been trying to speak to my friends and family about certain truths & myths that exist within this so called certainty. I stood in the freezing DC air and protested both Bush inaugurations and actively participated in many political and anti political rallies to try and spread some awareness to the masses. I donated several times to the Ron Paul campaign. However, I must say that I've always been a little weary of Alex Jones and his incitefulness and fear mongering. I have always felt like his intention is to rally everyone further towards helplessness. I think he is often sincere in his anxieties, but I find it hard to listen to him and his ranting. He so often promotes the sole idea of diametrically opposed forces doing battle among mankind in a way that I think ties into his deep seated Christian belief system. What is going on in our country and our world is not so black and white of an issue as is the notion of good and evil. One needs to wade far beyond the surface to even see a glimpse of the matrix type, smoke and mirror deception that ties mankind to their beliefs. The issue is as Buckminster Fuller said, "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." That's why I love Sketchup.
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I'm not an ostrich Coen. I posted that link to a verifiable attempted military coup in the US in the 1930s. The Bush family are in this kind of thing up to their necks. It goes back even further than that to when a cabal of rich financiers and industrialists effectively hi-jacked the US economy a few decades earlier with the establishment of the Federal Reserve system...a situation which is still current...and probably unconstitutional.
But conspiracy theorists really do need to get their head around the principle of guilt by association. I'm like Pete; there are a few nuggets of important truth wrapped up in mountains of speculative garbage, not to say outright fantasy. Anyone wanting to be taken seriously has a duty to themselves not to go within a million miles of the likes of David Icke. -
@solo said:
Are we to all join the tin-foil wearing army and constantly be looking over our shoulder and scrutinising every word from every politician, never trusting anyone with more money than we have, hiding our money in our mattresses, never conforming to any law?
no, not necessarily. We should scrutinize politicians because they are supposed to be working for us. The way it's set up though (by our own faults) is that we work for them... for free... we have let ourselves become their slaves and have let the politicians become businessmen instead of representatives of the people.
@unknownuser said:
never conforming to any law?
how about we quit conforming to laws that don't even exist (ie - paying federal income tax). The easiest way to shut down the federal reserve system would be to quit giving them our money. The only reason that scam works is because everyone is suckered in. We work 4months + per year for free!!! not to mention all the other bs taxes we're paying. That is straight up slavery.
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Why don't you write a nice letter to Mr N.M. Rothschild , London - Bank of England as it appears he 'owns' the Federal Reserve to a large extent.Chart of who "owns" the Federal Reserve
At least people are finding out Who Owns What. My eyes have been opened quite a bit over that past couple of days.
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Here is the second guy on the list http://www.schroders.com/schroders/home/ Note the Coat of Arms on the Web Site or is it 'By Appointment to HRH QE II' I like the motto though 'Trusted heritage - Advanced thinking', bloody right there about the 'Advanced thinking'.
It would appear that while you guys over there in the US of A broke away from the British Empire, you did not break away from their control
I also imagine this 'set up' suits them better also
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Here is the third bunch on the list, http://www.brownshipley.com/about-brown-shipley/ Brown, Shipley & Company, London based company.
Hey! I'll keep going a bit longer in the hope of finding a US of A owner. At least that way you guys might feel a little better knowing that its 'one of your own' that is screwing you
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Sorry guys! No luck yet. Morgan Grenfell & Company are German owned and would appear to be crooks!
The Financial Services Authority (FSA) has today fined Morgan Grenfell & Co Limited (Morgan Grenfell), a wholly owned subsidiary of Deutsche Bank AG, 190,000 for breaching FSA Principles by failing to act in its customer's best interests and failing to manage its conflicts of interests.
http://www.fsa.gov.uk/Pages/Library/Communication/PR/2004/034.shtml
Maybe better luck with the next one on the list
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..... no luck on this one either. http://www.lazard.co.uk/ Lazard Brothers are obviously part of the good old British Establishment.
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@mike lucey said:
It would appear that while you guys over there in the US of A broke away from the British Empire, you did not break away from their control
i think we did for a little while... our forefathers (namely thomas jefferson) warned us what will happen if we allow bankers to gain control over our money and exactly that has happened..
regardless, i'm pretty sure 'countries' are just a formality these days at the upper level of power.. we only have one world within our current reach and that world has nearly been conquered by a small group of people.
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..... looks like Alex Brown & Son http://www.nndb.com/company/856/000124484/ is owned by a German Bank
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..... OKAY! We struck gold with this one, Brown Bros Harriman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Brothers_Harriman
Opppps! I quote,
'Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. (BBH) is an old and large private bank in the United States which is particularly notable because of the large number of influential American politicians and government appointees whom have worked at the company since its beginnings; e.g. W. Averell Harriman,Prescott S. Bush, Robert A. Lovett. Currently the firm has 40 partners and 4,000 staff people globally'
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