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    • S Offline
      shareck
      last edited by

      The church inside and out looks just awesome. So much detail. The ornaments on the pillars, chandeliers, railings. This is just unreal. 👍

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      • Bryan KB Offline
        Bryan K
        last edited by

        Old churches represented the epitome of architectural design and engineering in their day that was also accessible and usable by the average person.

        A worthy subject.

        See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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        • Chris FullmerC Offline
          Chris Fullmer
          last edited by

          Absolutely incredible Paul. I love your work as always,

          Chris

          Lately you've been tan, suspicious for the winter.
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          • Paul RussamP Offline
            Paul Russam
            last edited by

            Here's an update on the church.
            Work on site started recently with the builders doing a bit of remodelling with a couple of mini excavators, here's a shot taken before they got going:

            http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDfqj4oWnI/AAAAAAAADDk/rBo6HNmhNf4/s720/P5050488.JPG

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            and here's one taken on Friday.....

            http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdTambOiI/AAAAAAAADBI/Gd_cf9IiGRw/s640/P1030299.JPG

            A bit of a difference don't you think?, here's a couple more from Friday:

            http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdRVddZbI/AAAAAAAADBE/rwKMnfziI3A/s640/P1030297.JPG

            Before:

            http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDfoMxB3sI/AAAAAAAADDg/Abs5l1C9X9w/s720/P5050486.JPG

            After:

            http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdPVVqRbI/AAAAAAAADBA/37_zrzb2S04/s640/P1030296.JPG

            Before:

            http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDfshm-HLI/AAAAAAAADDo/3jlXcbRVYI8/s720/P5050586.JPG

            After:

            http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdd2keN7I/AAAAAAAADBc/BdJtme8pwOQ/s640/P1030316.JPG

            Whilst the builders were busy gutting the place they made a bit of a discovery. We always knew that under the raised area of the altar there was a tiled floor, we assumed that it was in poor condition, it having being covered up, but were we in for a surprise.

            Before:

            http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd6R-cfpI/AAAAAAAADCQ/oheB-O3Lmwo/s720/P5050484.JPG

            http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd8bQaizI/AAAAAAAADCU/MyHRLeyy6mw/s720/P5050497.JPG

            http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd-vDvGRI/AAAAAAAADCY/nT7eT4FX7ws/s720/P5050622.JPG

            http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeA2dUDAI/AAAAAAAADCc/AngBHeKxvSo/s720/P5050679.JPG

            http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdjIC-s6I/AAAAAAAADBk/GWJT3m4t_UI/s640/P7140178.JPG

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            And after the raised area was removed this is what we found!!

            http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdVv5HZoI/AAAAAAAADBM/d3LtDxv2uLk/s640/P1030300.JPG

            http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcZUauwyI/AAAAAAAAC_c/em78NuVOpvs/s640/P1030251.JPG

            http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcaymEAsI/AAAAAAAAC_g/XV5XwjEqiuU/s640/P1030253.JPG

            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcczHidjI/AAAAAAAAC_k/hEaHnUB0L-0/s640/P1030255.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcjQaJb3I/AAAAAAAAC_w/byo0dleekdk/s640/P1030262.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcpKaol4I/AAAAAAAAC_8/VqkaLrTWfZ0/s640/P1030265.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDcsqLuZBI/AAAAAAAADAE/DSFgq-6QZsw/s640/P1030271.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
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            Not bad eh? A bit of a wipe with a wet rag and hey presto...
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDc3LfMxSI/AAAAAAAADAY/5CEELOkEJgU/s640/P1030282.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDc5l9so0I/AAAAAAAADAc/mL2c1Zp4VAk/s640/P1030283.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDc9PzAzJI/AAAAAAAADAg/J_yah5JCx1c/s640/P1030284.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDc_YHDxkI/AAAAAAAADAk/Fw0jPb3IjSE/s640/P1030286.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdFPCItHI/AAAAAAAADAs/nsIe6ilh78o/s640/P1030288.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdHBYtbgI/AAAAAAAADAw/0B_7GnsTfqc/s640/P1030290.JPG[/img:1u10b4vx]
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            After a bit of work in PS 'de'distorting the photos I knocked these out as textures:
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdsi9flhI/AAAAAAAADB0/l5vBB7aOP3g/s512/1287-AltarFloor2-01.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdvufehjI/AAAAAAAADB4/yZ8VtTz_iZU/s512/1287-AltarFloor2-02.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdxzJTt-I/AAAAAAAADB8/4K4GcEaP1HM/s512/1287-AltarFloor2-03.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDdzK5XqlI/AAAAAAAADCA/OIqXIis45LI/s720/1287-AltarFloor2-04.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd0Sr0GNI/AAAAAAAADCE/v4oaiFraPS4/s720/1287-AltarFloor2-05.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd1lGX4JI/AAAAAAAADCI/CaOK29jJSzA/s720/1287-AltarFloor2-06.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDd37DKyXI/AAAAAAAADCM/JEv0yplYiv4/s400/1287-AltarFloor2-07.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
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            And here's the results in SU:
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeH73-fII/AAAAAAAADCo/0Ko-n3XTjRI/s720/Interior-V34-Existing-01 - Scene 36.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeKjzOz_I/AAAAAAAADCs/4X__946oyyQ/s720/Interior-V34-Existing-01 - Scene 37.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeOP7ghTI/AAAAAAAADC0/zVD888qoDfs/s720/Interior-V34-Existing-01 - Scene 38.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeRqB4QfI/AAAAAAAADC4/MIb0fu-e6lw/s720/Interior-V34-Existing-01 - Scene 39.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]
            [img:1u10b4vx]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsDeU80upzI/AAAAAAAADC8/ynwJuOb6Ed8/s720/Interior-V34-Existing-01 - Scene 40.jpg[/img:1u10b4vx]

            We're about to start working up some concepts that retain the floor whilst still raising the altar/lectern/priest's up about 450mm. I personally think we should suspend the lot on trapeze wires from the ceiling but I think the Monsignor may baulk at the idea of flying over his parishioners!

            Here's a link to the Picasa album containing the above images along with a few more for good measure.
            http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Paul.Russam/IOTD20090928?feat=directlink

            Paul Russam
            English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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            • E Offline
              Ecuadorian
              last edited by

              You're a genius, Paul.
              And I guess you must be kind of a hero to your client for being able to show these proposals in full-detail via SketchUp.

              -Miguel Lescano
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              • soloS Offline
                solo
                last edited by

                Holy shit!! (pun intended)

                That looks awesome, those tiles.. 😲 , fantastic stuff, I'm gonna be watching out as this progresses.

                http://www.solos-art.com

                If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                • L Offline
                  linea
                  last edited by

                  What a find! I think we all dream of discoveries like that. Fascinating work Paul.

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                  • pilouP Offline
                    pilou
                    last edited by

                    Astonished thread! 😎

                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                    • Paul RussamP Offline
                      Paul Russam
                      last edited by

                      Here's the first bash at a revised altar area. Apart from some cursory glances no one here's really seen it yet so your the first! I doubt this concept will survive much scrutiny so expect a second version soon.

                      This is a massively cut-down version of the model with only the bare essentials to enable us to come up with a new altar area.

                      The floor between the altar and pews is still the old design hence the large gaps, The altar area is no more than a massing model, hence the sharp edged steps.

                      http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIHtpV98XI/AAAAAAAADF8/S0KDU9sysSE/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 3.jpg

                      http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIHu9EXe3I/AAAAAAAADGA/YGXi7tHQs9w/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 4.jpg

                      http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIHwRZX0uI/AAAAAAAADGE/KxGs4Uj48iM/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 5.jpg

                      http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIHxjW0GWI/AAAAAAAADGI/KZ4CqzRHghs/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 7.jpg

                      http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIHy6UmoAI/AAAAAAAADGM/0AydFsrY2M4/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 8.jpg

                      http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsIH0RTM6nI/AAAAAAAADGQ/5YJgm-Lf0TE/s912/Partial-Interior-V34-Proposed-01 - Scene 9.jpg

                      Paul Russam
                      English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                      • Paul RussamP Offline
                        Paul Russam
                        last edited by

                        I'd forgotten that I'd been having a go with Twilight Render using the church as a tester before the revised design reared its head.

                        Here's some images I knocked out using Twilight, since I'd abandoned rendering when I abandoned 3D Studio Max in 2004 I had to relearn some things but I've go to say TW is good and fantastically easy to use. My only problem in getting better out of my models is me at the moment.

                        http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsILO2QnM2I/AAAAAAAADGs/OwWXF7LWCHM/s912/TW-02-3h06m-Exp-02.jpg

                        http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsILVO5qpMI/AAAAAAAADGw/mNgKQ9l4aWU/s912/TW-03-14h50m-Exp-05-Gam-0700.jpg

                        http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsILZ8nNO7I/AAAAAAAADG4/A68_mbjs0X4/s912/TW-04-17h25m-Exp-05-Gam-0800.jpg

                        I was trying to get a highly reflective marble with this one and accidentally ended up with a polished steel floor, not what I intended but that's why their called test renders.

                        http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsILeu6irxI/AAAAAAAADG8/ec-3DUPMoPA/s912/TW-06-21h35m-Exp-03-Gam-1000.jpg

                        Paul Russam
                        English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                        • StinkieS Offline
                          Stinkie
                          last edited by

                          Marvellous work. 👍

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                          • W Offline
                            watkins
                            last edited by

                            Dear Paul,

                            I know that this sounds a bit wacky, but have you thought of a using glass floors in your design so that the mosaic is still visible? Yea, I know, wacky!

                            Regards,
                            Bob

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                            • Paul RussamP Offline
                              Paul Russam
                              last edited by

                              Bob,
                              I had thought of it but as I'm 'just' the 3D guy and 'not' an architect my opinion doesn't carry much weight around here when it comes to design ideas.
                              But...... I do plan on putting my ideas on the table.

                              1. Replace the existing full depth floor with glass and lighting it from below but then I thought about how you would clean the covered area or replace the lights.

                              2. Have the risers of the steps in glass block with lights behind and either marble or timber as the goings/level areas, again maintenance would be a problem.

                              3. Marble risers with a new mosaic design for the goings/level areas, could be too fussy.

                              We'll see, its early days for this one but time's a ticking as a design will have to be resolved soon.

                              Paul Russam
                              English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                              • S Offline
                                sepo
                                last edited by

                                Amazing work....and materials in some renders are fantastic. I like oak very much... 👍

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                                • StinkieS Offline
                                  Stinkie
                                  last edited by

                                  I'm wondering how big this model is. 80 - 90 MB?

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                                  • J Offline
                                    JuanV.Soler
                                    last edited by

                                    how clean and, neat
                                    .thanks very much
                                    Paul Russam

                                    ,))),

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                                    • Paul RussamP Offline
                                      Paul Russam
                                      last edited by

                                      Thanks for all the nice comments, they truly make a difference.

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      I'm wondering how big this model is. 80 - 90 MB?

                                      The model is about 50-60mb at the moment, it was smaller but I went through it recently and 'upped' the detail on some of the parts that were bugging me, the round tops to the column bases, the roses at the end of the beading around the arches etc.
                                      I've probably overdone the textures on the new floors as they make the altar walls look a bit blurry in comparison. I'm tempted to remake the textures as higher res but that's just the sadomasochist in me talking 😄

                                      Paul Russam
                                      English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                                      • ElibjrE Offline
                                        Elibjr
                                        last edited by

                                        My God, 😲
                                        I feel so inadequate now. This is beautiful. How long did it take you to model this? What settings did you use in TW and how long did it take this thing to render?

                                        Looking at the sanctuary, this place looks like it would be dark at night. Is there any thought to update the lighting?

                                        I would say that you have mastered this software. Amazing and inspiring. Thank you Mr. Russam!

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                                        • Paul RussamP Offline
                                          Paul Russam
                                          last edited by

                                          I did another Twilight Render last night.

                                          SU Scene:

                                          http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsMH2h63YdI/AAAAAAAADIU/Ug0bko7x6co/TW-07-SU-Scene.jpg

                                          After 14h25m at 1200x850:

                                          http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsMH0zLkqcI/AAAAAAAADIQ/OKl7z0vPqmw/s800/TW-07-14h25m-Exp-Pt8-Gam-1000.jpg

                                          After a bit of Post Processing:

                                          http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsMH5cW8P3I/AAAAAAAADIY/-2vsC94EH7E/s800/TW-07-AfterPostProcess.jpg

                                          And for reference, a photo of the real thing:

                                          http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Dz6i1AdtgoA/SsMH9TCr0aI/AAAAAAAADIg/RjqgBIbevbg/TW-07-Real.JPG

                                          Here's a link to the Picasa album with the full size images:
                                          http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Paul.Russam/IOTD20090930?feat=directlink

                                          Paul Russam
                                          English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                                          • E Offline
                                            Ecuadorian
                                            last edited by

                                            The only difference I see is that the real photo has a lot more light coming in from the windows. 😎

                                            Perhaps rising "Sky Brightness" and "Maximum Sun Intensity" values from the Sun/Sky tab in Twilight's Light Editor might help get a bit closer to the real thing. Especially "Sky Brightness". But this is just nitpicking; you've done an amazing modeling job, Paul. You are really pushing SketchUp's limits. 👍

                                            -Miguel Lescano
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