Mac v Win
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If I had a choice of laptops I'd probably get a Mac, all other things being equal, because they are fairly sexy. The trouble is, all things are not equal. They are expensive, no more reliable than an IBM system and don't run half the software I need. Laptops are different...you physically handle them a lot. They are right in your face; if not on your lap.
As for a desktop...I couldn't care less what it looks like as long as it does it's job. I'll bet that most people don't even notice their tower boxes; they are under the desk most of the time, anyway. All I really notice is the monitor (My HP looks much like the Mac in the picture above) or more specifically, the monitor screen.
You've got to be pretty sad to be drooling over a piece of hardware...and even sadder to pay good money for it for little extra reason other than it looks pretty
Macs do have a nice GUI, but nothing that you can't generally replicate with some 3rd party Window apps...and for a lot less cost than the price differential of the basic systems.
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Hi,
I was a Mac fanboy until Windows 95 was released.
There was absolutely no way you could compare a PC to a Mac prior to this.
The Mac ruled and I looked down at PC's with utter disdain.Things have changed dramatically since then.
Windows XP is an excellent OS but still not as pretty to look at as OSX.
But despite how pretty OSX is, I still feel that XP is more functional in how you use it.
Macs are now PC hardware based because over time PC hardware developed far faster and produced much better results than the dead ends Apple ventured down. Anyone remember how Apple insisted PowerPC processors were the future?Today, I am not a fanboy of PC's or Macs because I now regard all computers as tools and not fashion items. It is nice to have pretty looking hardware but not essential.
If spending my own money I would always buy a PC for bang for buck and a greater choice of software. Plus being able to play Call of Duty in all its glory!
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Actually, the only computer I felt any real passion for was the Commodore Amiga. With the Directory Opus file manager installed it did all I needed at the time. That was the first machine I saw running 3D software. It was called Lightwave 3D Version 1.0. At that time neither PCs nor Macs were capable of running such wonderful software.
Sorry for getting all nostalgic.Regards
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Hmm, since one cannot measure "pretty" and "ugly" I'll leave that up to the individual. Both are tools to get a task done. I guess when my desktop needs to be pretty under my desk that will matter
or when I care how pretty the case is. To each their own.
I guess people go to the hardware to get a pretty hammer -
Yes indeed
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I find it interesting that people always have so much passion for "their choice" when this debate inevitably rises. But I would like to put forward the proposition that there would be no Windows OS at all had Mac not all along used the desktop style Graphical User Interface (GUI) system. This system was not actually developed by Mac but by Xerox PARC by Alan Kay, Douglas Engelbart, and when introduced to Steve Jobs early in his process of developing Apple computers he adopted the system under the title Apple Lisa. The Xerox system was never developed by Xerox commercially, and Jobs hired some of the Xerox team to help him develop the GUI.
Now I don't know if many of you were around when all Microsoft offered was MS-DOs (Microsoft Digital Operating System), I was, and I was using a Tandy TRS 80, and (probably dreaming of a Commadore 64) tick tacking away with the Tab button using the old fill in the blank style software when along came the Mac Plus it had this tricky little device called a mouse ( which when Jobs recruited Microsoft as the first third party software developer for his system he had an agreement not to ship any software that used the mouse for at least one year after the first Macintosh shipped). That was the point when I first heard this debate rage. MS-DOS users called the Mac a toy, and claimed that only the PC DOS based system could be used for serious business applications. Mac users just kept smiling that little smug smile like they knew something that other didn't.
But you know there really was something logical about that interface. It was elegant and intuitive.
I think Bill Gates sensed that too, and MS announced the development of its new GUI mouse based system called Windows in Nov 1983 at the Comdex trade show. This of course cause a rift between Gates and Jobs, and eventually led to the famous law suit that Apple lost. And as it happened the member of the Microsoft team that developed the Apple software for MS , Neil Konzen, was assigned to the develop the second version of Windows (the first version Windows 1.0 was generally seen as pretty dismal) which was released a couple of years later in about 1987 and became the basis of the successful Windows line (some would argue with the exception of Vista)
Although it may be an Urban Myth, at the meeting that took place after Microsoft's announcement of Windows release, Gates apparently after sitting through a tirade by the angry Jobs was supposed to have said: " Well Steve, I think it's more like we both had a rich neighbour named Xerox, and when I broke in to steal his TV set, I found you had already stolen it."Windows and Mac desktop flashback
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@unknownuser said:
Hmm, since one cannot measure "pretty" and "ugly" I'll leave that up to the individual. Both are tools to get a task done. I guess when my desktop needs to be pretty under my desk that will matter
or when I care how pretty the case is. To each their own.
I guess people go to the hardware to get a pretty hammerAs a designer I spend a lot of time with my computer and it is important to me that it looks cool. Of course, if my Macs were a source of frustration, I would change, but, they provide everything I need in a beautiful package. Sure, I've had my moments over the years when I wanted to throttle Apple, but, when it all shook out, there was no real viable alternative.
When I cook, I use nicely designed knives and if I was a carpenter... Nice hammer, Mike.On the topic of Mac vs Pc, well, when I was a kid the big fight was Ford vs Chevy.
Things never change.
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People just get ruffled because their decision-making faculties are being questioned--and this is enhanced by a media-driven commercial rivalry (whereas neither Apple or MS really care about it as they go to the bank).
So just to set the record straight, maybe we can all agree:
ALL Mac users are fluff-headed, fashion-obsessed fan-boys, barely capable of connecting a monitor, and easily duped into paying exorbitant prices for "pretty" above performance.
All PC users are propeller-headed, tech-drenched, drudges, who would rather fix a computer than use one, and are too cheap to pay for, much less recognize elegance.
There, debate settled.
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Where old iMacs go to die...
When the LCD died I removed it and created 'Samar-iMac'.
Still works great!
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I think I like the Hammer debate better
Been swingin a 28oz Estwing straight claw/smooth face for better than 25yrs.
C
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No time to play, I prefer my hammer to be multipurpose, have attitude, be tough and destroy Mac's.
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Hey Dale, you forgot to talk about Top View, IBM's (when it was still made in America) character based, multi-tasking (sort of), cut and paste between applications, user interface. Best computer keyboard layout brought to us by the makers of the Selectric.
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@unknownuser said:
I think I like the Hammer debate better
Been swingin a 28oz Estwing straight claw/smooth face for better than 25yrs.
C
Now thats a hammer. With a 28 oz Estwing in one hand and a 32 oz Vaughan in the other we could take on both Mac and PC. (Sorry Solo but your hammer would look a little twinkie in the old pouch)
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best_estwing_ever:
http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=500
25oz but a couple inches longer than the more common 22 or 28... been swinging one for 15yrs now.. they used to be hard to find but the internet makes things easier..
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@pbacot said:
So just to set the record straight, maybe we can all agree:
ALL Mac users are fluff-headed, fashion-obsessed fan-boys, barely capable of connecting a monitor, and easily duped into paying exorbitant prices for "pretty" above performance.
All PC users are propeller-headed, tech-drenched, drudges, who would rather fix a computer than use one, and are too cheap to pay for, much less recognize elegance.
There, debate settled.
Very well said!
Estwing blammers are the business! I wouldn't buy Stanley anything other than their blades.
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Okay, I have found a way to reach a decision on the Mac v Win contest. http://issue.igizmo.co.uk/1J499c416beb4fa385.cde/page/24
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Jeez, you shake a Mac PC tree and out fall a bunch of carpenters
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I've never liked curve claw hammmers.....
I got into Mac because that's what they used at work. I also worked on PC's in learning AutoCAD. Early ACAD and PC's were not a good introduction, but I think it is just familiarity and the available programs (which I still use--and only available on Mac) that kept me on Macs. I think the Windows interface has caught up.
That said, there is something to an attractive OS and computer design. To call the look and feel of tools you use every day "fashion" seems antithetical to a forum populated by designers. It's about what I experience every day, not what others see (no one usually sees my computer). Again I think Windows is probably the same now for it's users.
As for hardware, I have not bought PC's but the Mac computers I buy are increasingly less expensive, faster, more dependable, smaller (and yes cooler-looking) than ever before. It's never been a question of a couple hundred bucks whether to buy a new Mac when I needed to move up. I also don't miss having to "maintain" my computer any more than I do. I got it to draw and design, not play IT-man.
I think PC's, Windows, Macs, and the MacOS have benefited greatly from one each other. I don't think we should take this conversation too seriously. -
Yes, I spend a lot of time on my computers too. I do like to look at pretty items so I have nice looking desktop images and such when my main applications are not open. My 5 year old Dell at home runs just fine. Probably going to replace this year just to use newer PCIe video cards, faster ram and such. I'll give the Dell to my 9 year old. He likes to draw with SU like his old man
As I said to each their own@double espresso said:
@unknownuser said:
Hmm, since one cannot measure "pretty" and "ugly" I'll leave that up to the individual. Both are tools to get a task done. I guess when my desktop needs to be pretty under my desk that will matter
or when I care how pretty the case is. To each their own.
I guess people go to the hardware to get a pretty hammerAs a designer I spend a lot of time with my computer and it is important to me that it looks cool. Of course, if my Macs were a source of frustration, I would change, but, they provide everything I need in a beautiful package. Sure, I've had my moments over the years when I wanted to throttle Apple, but, when it all shook out, there was no real viable alternative.
When I cook, I use nicely designed knives and if I was a carpenter... Nice hammer, Mike.On the topic of Mac vs Pc, well, when I was a kid the big fight was Ford vs Chevy.
Things never change.
You only pass this way one time. -
@dale said:
Although it may be an Urban Myth, at the meeting that took place after Microsoft's announcement of Windows release, Gates apparently after sitting through a tirade by the angry Jobs was supposed to have said: " Well Steve, I think it's more like we both had a rich neighbour named Xerox, and when I broke in to steal his TV set, I found you had already stolen it."
Windows and Mac desktop flashback
Wasn't this made up for that movie "Pirates of Silicon valley"
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