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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
      last edited by

      @kwistenbiebel said:

      Do you guys use an auto responder? πŸ˜„
      I saw the exact same text in the other Bonzai thread.

      Probably Pilou is right... πŸ˜„

      Well, I merge the threads anyway...

      Gai...

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        bonzai3d support
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        @plot-paris said:

        when I had a look at the beta of Bonsai 3D, I was a bit shocked - because that little application showed me how limited SketchUp really is. in the few moments between crashes of Bonsai 3D tools such as the 'bend tool' the 'round edges' tool or the 'twist tool', alongside with the truly fantastic real-time boolean operations (that are so much cleverer than what SU does), showed quite plainly how far SketchUp still has to go.πŸ˜•

        Gentlemen,

        We have now released the third update to bonzai3d. This update focuses on stability issues, and it should now be in much better shape. If you would like to try it, visit the bonzai3d web site (also still under construction) here:

        favicon

        (www.bonzai3d.com)

        We have also released a number of introductory videos that you can view to see if you want to try it.

        We hope you like it. If you have any feedback, please don't hesitate to contact us.

        support@bonzai3d.com

        Explore * Design * Deliver
        http://www.bonzai3d.com
        Version 2.5 Now Available!

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          bonzai3d support
          last edited by

          Gentlemen,

          We have now released the third update to bonzai3d. This update focuses on stability issues, and it should now be in much better shape. If you would like to try it, visit the bonzai3d web site (also still under construction) here:

          favicon

          (www.bonzai3d.com)

          We have also released a number of introductory videos that you can view to see if you want to try it.

          We hope you like it. If you have any feedback, please don't hesitate to contact us.

          support@bonzai3d.com

          Explore * Design * Deliver
          http://www.bonzai3d.com
          Version 2.5 Now Available!

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
            last edited by

            I had crashing issues before, but it's been working with the latest update. Even on Windows 7 beta.
            But I can't get the Place Window tool to work properly. The viewport goes all haywire when I try to use it. it zooms way into the model when I activate that tool.

            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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            • IdahoJI Offline
              IdahoJ
              last edited by

              So far my sessions with Bonzai3D have been:

              open crash
              open crash
              open crash...

              This is on an XP-64 OS, AMD 9950 x4 BE 2.6GHz CPU, 8Gb RAM running an ATi 4870 PCI-X card with ATi Catalyst 8.11 drivers.

              [EDITED by IdahoJ -- Some comments were not constructive.]

              "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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              • B Offline
                bonzai3d support
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                IdahoJ,

                This behavior is definitely not normal, and crash issues should now be fairly isolated. Do you get the crash just launching, or do you need to do something else afterwards to cause the crash?

                And did you make sure to install the Microsoft vcredist.exe component?

                ThomThom,

                There is a known issue with Place Content with Metric units that can cause a zoom problem on some systems. We are working to get this corrected, but if you go to Edit: Preferences: Language, and select English Units, you can then test the Place Content without this problem.

                support@bonzai3d.com

                Explore * Design * Deliver
                http://www.bonzai3d.com
                Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                • thomthomT Offline
                  thomthom
                  last edited by

                  @bonzai3d support said:

                  There is a known issue with Place Content with Metric units that can cause a zoom problem on some systems. We are working to get this corrected, but if you go to Edit: Preferences: Language, and select English Units, you can then test the Place Content without this problem.

                  support@bonzai3d.com

                  I see. Thanks for the tip.
                  Looking forward to the metric fix. And the Right-click-draw-blank-viewport fix. πŸ˜„
                  btw, When changing the language the messagebox said that the settings won't take effect until "formZ" is restarted... πŸ˜‰

                  Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  • B Offline
                    bonzai3d support
                    last edited by

                    @unknownuser said:

                    ...And the Right-click-draw-blank-viewport fix. πŸ˜„

                    Due to some OpenGL issues on Vista, it may be necessary to turn off Desktop Composition with some graphics cards. The symptom of this problem is that when the context menu (right click) is selected in a modeling window, the window will draw blank while the mouse button is pressed. We are working on a solution for this.

                    support@bonzai3d.com

                    Explore * Design * Deliver
                    http://www.bonzai3d.com
                    Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                      Ecuadorian
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                      I find it quite strange that in 2009 a piece of software can have trouble with metric but work OK with imperial.... After all, back in 1958 Imperial units were re-defined as a function of metric units; they no longer have their own special definition.

                      So all software should be designed to work internally in metric, and use Imperial only for input/display purposes if the user needs it.

                      Some three weeks ago SketchUp saved my life as we were measuring a parking lot and the longest measuring tape we had was in feet and inches, but the shortest, easier to handle one had both English and metric units, and I needed to print the result in metric. In SU, you don't need to do any switching, simply type any unit you want.

                      -Miguel Lescano
                      Subscribe to my house plans YouTube channel! (30K+ subs)

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                      • IdahoJI Offline
                        IdahoJ
                        last edited by

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Postby bonzai3d support on Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:23 am
                        IdahoJ,

                        This behavior is definitely not normal, and crash issues should now be fairly isolated. Do you get the crash just launching, or do you need to do something else afterwards to cause the crash?

                        And did you make sure to install the Microsoft vcredist.exe component?

                        Crashes on launch and I have both the 64 and 32 bit MSVC++ 2005 Redistributable v8.0.56336 installed.

                        Cheers.

                        "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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                          bonzai3d support
                          last edited by

                          IdahoJ,

                          We have seen a few "windows customization" settings that have caused problems in the past. We have fixed these with the latest update (bonzai3d indicates build 7218 at startup, right) but it is certainly possible that there is still a problem we have not seen yet. If you logon as Guest, do you still have this problem? Or if you change your Theme to a standard "Windows Theme" -- does this prevent the crash?

                          If not, can you email a screen capture showing the bonzai3d startup window as well as the crash message so we can look into this further?

                          support@bonzai3d.com

                          Explore * Design * Deliver
                          http://www.bonzai3d.com
                          Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                          • IdahoJI Offline
                            IdahoJ
                            last edited by

                            @bonzai3d support said:

                            IdahoJ,

                            We have seen a few "windows customization" settings that have caused problems in the past. We have fixed these with the latest update (bonzai3d indicates build 7218 at startup, right) but it is certainly possible that there is still a problem we have not seen yet. If you logon as Guest, do you still have this problem? Or if you change your Theme to a standard "Windows Theme" -- does this prevent the crash?

                            If not, can you email a screen capture showing the bonzai3d startup window as well as the crash message so we can look into this further?

                            support@bonzai3d.com

                            I'll see what I can do guys. I've already removed it from my system...

                            Cheers.

                            "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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                            • pilouP Offline
                              pilou
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                              hum hum πŸ˜„


                              error.jpg

                              Frenchy Pilou
                              Is beautiful that please without concept!
                              My Little site :)

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                              • B Offline
                                bonzai3d support
                                last edited by

                                Pilou,

                                This is a strange error. We tried 100 similar operations, and they all worked properly. If you repeat your test, do you repeat the problem?

                                If so, can you save and send the BNZ file to us so we can investigate this further?

                                (Thanks in advance.)

                                support@bonzai3d.com

                                Explore * Design * Deliver
                                http://www.bonzai3d.com
                                Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                                • pilouP Offline
                                  pilou
                                  last edited by

                                  No repetitive problem but now it's after a copy !
                                  Here you find the file πŸ˜„ (before the difference)
                                  Difference A - B
                                  cyl2.jpg


                                  cyl01.zip

                                  Frenchy Pilou
                                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                  My Little site :)

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                                  • B Offline
                                    bonzai3d support
                                    last edited by

                                    Pilou,

                                    Great, thanks for posting. (That's a display error, not a geometry error.) Thanks for your report, we will get it corrected.

                                    support@bonzai3d.com

                                    Explore * Design * Deliver
                                    http://www.bonzai3d.com
                                    Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                                    • T Offline
                                      Tekkybot
                                      last edited by

                                      @bonzai3d support said:

                                      Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                      support@bonzai3d.com

                                      hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

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                                      • thomthomT Offline
                                        thomthom
                                        last edited by

                                        @tekkybot said:

                                        @bonzai3d support said:

                                        Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                        support@bonzai3d.com

                                        hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

                                        Expensive? $499.
                                        What's your comparison?
                                        Sketchup Pro goes for $495.
                                        Vue 7 Infinite: $935
                                        Cinema 4d Core: $995
                                        Rhino: €995
                                        3DSMAx $3495
                                        Maya: Β£4995

                                        There aren't that many cheaper 3D modelling tools. MOI goes for $195. And you got blender that's free. But I don't see it being in the "very expensive" category when you compare the whole market.

                                        As for bugs: It's a beta. It's expected to be bugs in betas. I fail to see why people keep on complaining about bugs in pre-release versions of software. Even final versions of software got bugs. SketchUp got its fair share of them.

                                        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                        • T Offline
                                          Tekkybot
                                          last edited by

                                          @thomthom said:

                                          @tekkybot said:

                                          @bonzai3d support said:

                                          Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                          support@bonzai3d.com

                                          hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

                                          Expensive? $499.
                                          What's your comparison?
                                          Sketchup Pro goes for $495.
                                          Vue 7 Infinite: $935
                                          Cinema 4d Core: $995
                                          Rhino: €995
                                          3DSMAx $3495
                                          Maya: Β£4995

                                          There aren't that many cheaper 3D modelling tools. MOI goes for $195. And you got blender that's free. But I don't see it being in the "very expensive" category when you compare the whole market.

                                          As for bugs: It's a beta. It's expected to be bugs in betas. I fail to see why people keep on complaining about bugs in pre-release versions of software. Even final versions of software got bugs. SketchUp got its fair share of them.

                                          your correct. when you compare bonzai to other professional modeling apps bonzai is cheap. BUT, the guy said it would be priced low so beginners and hobbyist could afford it. (many people assumed it would be affordable like silo or ac3d. and that's one of the reason why many people dl the demo of bonzai including me. however when it came time to release the actual price everything the guy said was just pure lies and went out the window... 500 dollars is NOT affordable unless you are a professional or have rich parents. simple put, it was a bait and switch πŸ‘Ž

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                                          • R Offline
                                            remus
                                            last edited by

                                            personally i think $500 dollars i pretty affordable, especially considering the small market theyre aiming at.

                                            I suppose it depends a lot on where you live, though. $500 in the UK isnt a huge amount, $500 in many other countries is a huge amount of money.

                                            http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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