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    • dazzaD Offline
      dazza
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      @xrok1 said:

      i think at this point the plugins and the community are what makes SK what it is. just try and imagine using it without any plugins; ouch πŸ‘Š . BTW, thankyou every ruby master out there. that being said, there's really no way for anyone to ever replace that that.period, full stop

      Google should be on there knee's to the people that really make SK what it is! IMHO 😳

      I couldn't agree with you more πŸ‘

      All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
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        @kwistenbiebel said:

        Do you guys use an auto responder? πŸ˜„
        I saw the exact same text in the other Bonzai thread.

        Probably Pilou is right... πŸ˜„

        Well, I merge the threads anyway...

        Gai...

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          bonzai3d support
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          @plot-paris said:

          when I had a look at the beta of Bonsai 3D, I was a bit shocked - because that little application showed me how limited SketchUp really is. in the few moments between crashes of Bonsai 3D tools such as the 'bend tool' the 'round edges' tool or the 'twist tool', alongside with the truly fantastic real-time boolean operations (that are so much cleverer than what SU does), showed quite plainly how far SketchUp still has to go.πŸ˜•

          Gentlemen,

          We have now released the third update to bonzai3d. This update focuses on stability issues, and it should now be in much better shape. If you would like to try it, visit the bonzai3d web site (also still under construction) here:

          favicon

          (www.bonzai3d.com)

          We have also released a number of introductory videos that you can view to see if you want to try it.

          We hope you like it. If you have any feedback, please don't hesitate to contact us.

          support@bonzai3d.com

          Explore * Design * Deliver
          http://www.bonzai3d.com
          Version 2.5 Now Available!

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            bonzai3d support
            last edited by

            Gentlemen,

            We have now released the third update to bonzai3d. This update focuses on stability issues, and it should now be in much better shape. If you would like to try it, visit the bonzai3d web site (also still under construction) here:

            favicon

            (www.bonzai3d.com)

            We have also released a number of introductory videos that you can view to see if you want to try it.

            We hope you like it. If you have any feedback, please don't hesitate to contact us.

            support@bonzai3d.com

            Explore * Design * Deliver
            http://www.bonzai3d.com
            Version 2.5 Now Available!

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            • thomthomT Offline
              thomthom
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              I had crashing issues before, but it's been working with the latest update. Even on Windows 7 beta.
              But I can't get the Place Window tool to work properly. The viewport goes all haywire when I try to use it. it zooms way into the model when I activate that tool.

              Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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              • IdahoJI Offline
                IdahoJ
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                So far my sessions with Bonzai3D have been:

                open crash
                open crash
                open crash...

                This is on an XP-64 OS, AMD 9950 x4 BE 2.6GHz CPU, 8Gb RAM running an ATi 4870 PCI-X card with ATi Catalyst 8.11 drivers.

                [EDITED by IdahoJ -- Some comments were not constructive.]

                "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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                  bonzai3d support
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                  IdahoJ,

                  This behavior is definitely not normal, and crash issues should now be fairly isolated. Do you get the crash just launching, or do you need to do something else afterwards to cause the crash?

                  And did you make sure to install the Microsoft vcredist.exe component?

                  ThomThom,

                  There is a known issue with Place Content with Metric units that can cause a zoom problem on some systems. We are working to get this corrected, but if you go to Edit: Preferences: Language, and select English Units, you can then test the Place Content without this problem.

                  support@bonzai3d.com

                  Explore * Design * Deliver
                  http://www.bonzai3d.com
                  Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
                    last edited by

                    @bonzai3d support said:

                    There is a known issue with Place Content with Metric units that can cause a zoom problem on some systems. We are working to get this corrected, but if you go to Edit: Preferences: Language, and select English Units, you can then test the Place Content without this problem.

                    support@bonzai3d.com

                    I see. Thanks for the tip.
                    Looking forward to the metric fix. And the Right-click-draw-blank-viewport fix. πŸ˜„
                    btw, When changing the language the messagebox said that the settings won't take effect until "formZ" is restarted... πŸ˜‰

                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    • B Offline
                      bonzai3d support
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                      @unknownuser said:

                      ...And the Right-click-draw-blank-viewport fix. πŸ˜„

                      Due to some OpenGL issues on Vista, it may be necessary to turn off Desktop Composition with some graphics cards. The symptom of this problem is that when the context menu (right click) is selected in a modeling window, the window will draw blank while the mouse button is pressed. We are working on a solution for this.

                      support@bonzai3d.com

                      Explore * Design * Deliver
                      http://www.bonzai3d.com
                      Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                        Ecuadorian
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                        I find it quite strange that in 2009 a piece of software can have trouble with metric but work OK with imperial.... After all, back in 1958 Imperial units were re-defined as a function of metric units; they no longer have their own special definition.

                        So all software should be designed to work internally in metric, and use Imperial only for input/display purposes if the user needs it.

                        Some three weeks ago SketchUp saved my life as we were measuring a parking lot and the longest measuring tape we had was in feet and inches, but the shortest, easier to handle one had both English and metric units, and I needed to print the result in metric. In SU, you don't need to do any switching, simply type any unit you want.

                        -Miguel Lescano
                        Subscribe to my house plans YouTube channel! (30K+ subs)

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                        • IdahoJI Offline
                          IdahoJ
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                          @unknownuser said:

                          Postby bonzai3d support on Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:23 am
                          IdahoJ,

                          This behavior is definitely not normal, and crash issues should now be fairly isolated. Do you get the crash just launching, or do you need to do something else afterwards to cause the crash?

                          And did you make sure to install the Microsoft vcredist.exe component?

                          Crashes on launch and I have both the 64 and 32 bit MSVC++ 2005 Redistributable v8.0.56336 installed.

                          Cheers.

                          "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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                            bonzai3d support
                            last edited by

                            IdahoJ,

                            We have seen a few "windows customization" settings that have caused problems in the past. We have fixed these with the latest update (bonzai3d indicates build 7218 at startup, right) but it is certainly possible that there is still a problem we have not seen yet. If you logon as Guest, do you still have this problem? Or if you change your Theme to a standard "Windows Theme" -- does this prevent the crash?

                            If not, can you email a screen capture showing the bonzai3d startup window as well as the crash message so we can look into this further?

                            support@bonzai3d.com

                            Explore * Design * Deliver
                            http://www.bonzai3d.com
                            Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                            • IdahoJI Offline
                              IdahoJ
                              last edited by

                              @bonzai3d support said:

                              IdahoJ,

                              We have seen a few "windows customization" settings that have caused problems in the past. We have fixed these with the latest update (bonzai3d indicates build 7218 at startup, right) but it is certainly possible that there is still a problem we have not seen yet. If you logon as Guest, do you still have this problem? Or if you change your Theme to a standard "Windows Theme" -- does this prevent the crash?

                              If not, can you email a screen capture showing the bonzai3d startup window as well as the crash message so we can look into this further?

                              support@bonzai3d.com

                              I'll see what I can do guys. I've already removed it from my system...

                              Cheers.

                              "For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen."

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                              • pilouP Offline
                                pilou
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                                hum hum πŸ˜„


                                error.jpg

                                Frenchy Pilou
                                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                My Little site :)

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                                  bonzai3d support
                                  last edited by

                                  Pilou,

                                  This is a strange error. We tried 100 similar operations, and they all worked properly. If you repeat your test, do you repeat the problem?

                                  If so, can you save and send the BNZ file to us so we can investigate this further?

                                  (Thanks in advance.)

                                  support@bonzai3d.com

                                  Explore * Design * Deliver
                                  http://www.bonzai3d.com
                                  Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                                  • pilouP Offline
                                    pilou
                                    last edited by

                                    No repetitive problem but now it's after a copy !
                                    Here you find the file πŸ˜„ (before the difference)
                                    Difference A - B
                                    cyl2.jpg


                                    cyl01.zip

                                    Frenchy Pilou
                                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                    My Little site :)

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                                    • B Offline
                                      bonzai3d support
                                      last edited by

                                      Pilou,

                                      Great, thanks for posting. (That's a display error, not a geometry error.) Thanks for your report, we will get it corrected.

                                      support@bonzai3d.com

                                      Explore * Design * Deliver
                                      http://www.bonzai3d.com
                                      Version 2.5 Now Available!

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                                      • T Offline
                                        Tekkybot
                                        last edited by

                                        @bonzai3d support said:

                                        Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                        support@bonzai3d.com

                                        hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

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                                        • thomthomT Offline
                                          thomthom
                                          last edited by

                                          @tekkybot said:

                                          @bonzai3d support said:

                                          Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                          support@bonzai3d.com

                                          hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

                                          Expensive? $499.
                                          What's your comparison?
                                          Sketchup Pro goes for $495.
                                          Vue 7 Infinite: $935
                                          Cinema 4d Core: $995
                                          Rhino: €995
                                          3DSMAx $3495
                                          Maya: Β£4995

                                          There aren't that many cheaper 3D modelling tools. MOI goes for $195. And you got blender that's free. But I don't see it being in the "very expensive" category when you compare the whole market.

                                          As for bugs: It's a beta. It's expected to be bugs in betas. I fail to see why people keep on complaining about bugs in pre-release versions of software. Even final versions of software got bugs. SketchUp got its fair share of them.

                                          Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                          • T Offline
                                            Tekkybot
                                            last edited by

                                            @thomthom said:

                                            @tekkybot said:

                                            @bonzai3d support said:

                                            Did you actually give bonzai3d a try, and view the Introductory videos? Once you learn a few simple tricks, you should find that bonzai3d is a very powerful program that is also quite quick and easy to use.

                                            support@bonzai3d.com

                                            hey man add very expensive, inconsiderate of hobbyist wallet, buggy as all hell, lies through out, (affordable for who???) ill stick with sketchup man. and i think your a total phony on your "affordable for beginners campaign) i didn't really expect anything different though due to your insane prices for formz πŸ‘ i guess the price determines the quality πŸ˜’ anyway i don't need this financial stress sketchup is free

                                            Expensive? $499.
                                            What's your comparison?
                                            Sketchup Pro goes for $495.
                                            Vue 7 Infinite: $935
                                            Cinema 4d Core: $995
                                            Rhino: €995
                                            3DSMAx $3495
                                            Maya: Β£4995

                                            There aren't that many cheaper 3D modelling tools. MOI goes for $195. And you got blender that's free. But I don't see it being in the "very expensive" category when you compare the whole market.

                                            As for bugs: It's a beta. It's expected to be bugs in betas. I fail to see why people keep on complaining about bugs in pre-release versions of software. Even final versions of software got bugs. SketchUp got its fair share of them.

                                            your correct. when you compare bonzai to other professional modeling apps bonzai is cheap. BUT, the guy said it would be priced low so beginners and hobbyist could afford it. (many people assumed it would be affordable like silo or ac3d. and that's one of the reason why many people dl the demo of bonzai including me. however when it came time to release the actual price everything the guy said was just pure lies and went out the window... 500 dollars is NOT affordable unless you are a professional or have rich parents. simple put, it was a bait and switch πŸ‘Ž

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