Are you ready for SketchUp 7 news?
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Looking at lewis feedback about his contacts with SU, I think we should be more "readable" with our needs in term of evolution with SU.
That would help us to ask the good questions to SU team, and would clear and classify all the needs of every one.
I appreciate like magic these brilliant ruby that I test, and stare at ingeniosity of their authors, but most of them stay dead in my computer because I often have no use for them.
But I would not do without them...- The first job would be to classify in a few groups the SU users: architects, carpenters, designers, mechanicians..
- The second would be to define each particular groups needs in term of functions
- the third would be to study the enhacements in SU, not all in one bunch, but maybe in packages by category , and have a suggestion about how to gather all.
That would give with SU team a consistent speech in order to get consistent answers. I was really hunged to Coen thread, and desappointed with the banal answers.
I second Kwisten with his astonishement about one of a SU remark so we may have results in being directive
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@anglaret said:
Looking at lewis feedback about his contacts with SU, I think we should be more "readable" with our needs in term of evolution with SU.
That would help us to ask the good questions to SU team, and would clear and classify all the needs of every one.
I appreciate like magic these brilliant ruby that I test, and stare at ingeniosity of their authors, but most of them stay dead in my computer because I often have no use for them.
But I would not do without them...- The first job would be to classify in a few groups the SU users: architects, carpenters, designers, mechanicians..
- The second would be to define each particular groups needs in term of functions
- the third would be to study the enhacements in SU, not all in one bunch, but maybe in packages by category , and have a suggestion about how to gather all.
That would give with SU team a consistent speech in order to get consistent answers. I was really hunged to Coen thread, and desappointed with the banal answers.
I second Kwisten with his astonishement about one of a SU remark so we may have results in being directive
A work Coen Naninck could do with a couple of his polls...
Excellent idea anglaret! -
I like to have the ability to create different various line shapes in the style editor "Squiggly, scribbles, pencil, jagged, paintbrush ETC.."
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OK, so, I'm sorry I'm late to the SU7 News Party. I too attended the AIA but, because I've been swamped, haven't had a chance to post, until now.
I heard from a Googler (he's probably giggling now), who said more or less, "... SU releases will not be any farther apart as Photoshop; the time-lapse between releases should be more or less the same...". I couldn't bear the uncertainty anymore so did the homework: CS2 (Photoshop 9) was released April '05; CS3 was released exactly two years later (April 16, 2007); SU 6's beta-cycle started in July 6, 2006 and was eventually released January '07... therefore, the countdown to beta 7 should be hopefully less than a couple of months away(!?)
Cheers,
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Naively and eternally optimistic
- Diego -
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Cool, then My guess for Sketchup 7 is July.
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If it is July, there may still be months taken by beta testing - especially if there are some new featurs added (like styles or photomatch to version 6).
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Ya Gai..,
but then they will loose the match against Photoshop
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Ahh Geee,
Been re-reading Lewis's enlightening conversations with the Gooogle VIPs...'Curvey Stuff?'....I think Lewis pretty well summed that up.
'Sketchy Styles?'...well it would have been a real hit about 3 years ago when the 'Watercolour Phase' was in full swing. The greatest exponent ot this style, Mr Marshall, was last heard of talking vaguely of Mondo before he vanished for good].
I think it's fair to say that photorealism is the prefered export option of most 'Pros' these days...and native SU probably works well as the non-PR, this-is-only-a-concept-and-is-easily-changed export. Sketchy Styles/Edges was dead in the water when it was introduced and its pretty depressing that the Google people even need to ask about it's popularity.
Maybe they need to spend even more time checking out this forum.
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I don't think SU needs a built-in renderer. I mean, we already have Indigo and Kerkythea and Podium and Yafray. And we can export to programs that have built-in rendering features already. Actually, i don't know why i'm posting this, because we probably won't get one.
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Human,
Yafray? Is there a Yafray exporter around?
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@kwistenbiebel said:
Human,
Yafray? Is there a Yafray exporter around?
If you know one I would love to see a link.Yeah, it's called "Blender." And as a plus, with it you can high-poly-model "curvy stuff" until your eyeballs drop out.
http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/yafray/
More interesting than Yafray is the fact that Blender has a node-based "compositor" (multi-channel renderer with a graphic interface) which is quite an unusual beast. Here's a screenshot from the Blender site:
http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-242/blender-composite-nodes/
Among other things, you can mix and match photoreal and non-photoreal elements live. It's just bizarre.
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@lewiswadsworth said:
Yeah, it's called "Blender."
So Blender is an export thingie for SU to render with Yafray.
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@stu said:
Ahh Geee,
Been re-reading Lewis's enlightening conversations with the Gooogle VIPs...'Curvey Stuff?'....I think Lewis pretty well summed that up.
'Sketchy Styles?'...well it would have been a real hit about 3 years ago when the 'Watercolour Phase' was in full swing. The greatest exponent ot this style, Mr Marshall, was last heard of talking vaguely of Mondo before he vanished for good].
I think it's fair to say that photorealism is the prefered export option of most 'Pros' these days...and native SU probably works well as the non-PR, this-is-only-a-concept-and-is-easily-changed export. Sketchy Styles/Edges was dead in the water when it was introduced and its pretty depressing that the Google people even need to ask about it's popularity.
Maybe they need to spend even more time checking out this forum.I still get a great many NPR rendering requests, although I rarely use Styles as part of the process. I did just upgrade my Piranesi license to make my life easier in that direction.
Stu is correct about PR being the preferred option of the "Pros", at least at SCF..you won't be seeing any of my NPR work here, as a consequence. I don't see the interest.
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@lewiswadsworth said:
tu is correct about PR being the preferred option of the "Pros", at least at SCF..you won't be seeing any of my NPR work here, as a consequence. I don't see the interest.
That's niot true, Lewis, you know. The fact that there are many people playing around with PR (and there are some impressive results to be honest) doesn't mean that other styles should vanish. Just look at Tom's or Tina's posts - when there is something new, there are many positive responses (maybe because there is a shortage of NPR renders?).
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@stu said:
Im basing these ideas on what I see here, in this forum....and I dont think it's too presumptive to think that what gets posted and discussed here is at the forefront of SU use
Yet, outside of this particular render-package-besotted forum, that doesn't entirely reflect trends in my field. One of the US architecture firms getting the most positive publicity in academia now, LTL, does not use PR rendering.
http://www.ltlwork.net/pages/portfolio.html
I strongly suspect they are using SketchUp, at least for recent work. (I'm often tempted to ask them for a job, since they seem to be hiring. I could be Lewis working at Lewis Tsurumaki Lewis!)
LTL came up in my conversation with John Bacus, incidentally...he had asked me if I knew of any cutting-edge firms that were using SU, since we all know of the chauvinistic ones that scorn it.
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I've studied the drawings of LTL and I came to the conclusion that they don't use sketchup. Even their recent stuff doesn't sniff of any styles. If anything, they may trace over a SU model, but from what I've seen (before they made their drawings the size of postage stamps on the website), my guess is a pencil perspective scanned in with tone added in Photoshop. My 2 cents!
PS I was laughed at in a London school of architecture for using SU. As far as I am aware, I believe it beats the pants off things like Rhino with some of the scripts I've seen.
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Gaieus, there are certainly some people doing great NPR works, me ol' mate Tom for one and of course the unbelievable stuff done by Ernest Burden 111.
But these days there isn't the interest in NPR that was generated by Dennis and Grant Marshall and it would seem that most of the energy devoted to outputting something distinct from native SU is in the PR area. And this is made so much easier today with SU exporters to apps like Kerkythea, Indigo etc and of course Podium.
Im basing these ideas on what I see here, in this forum....and I dont think it's too presumptive to think that what gets posted and discussed here is at the forefront of SU use -
@swedishnitro said:
PS I was laughed at in a London school of architecture for using SU. As far as I am aware, I believe it beats the pants off things like Rhino with some of the scripts I've seen.
Funny, almost everyone in CG laughs at Sketchup.
But it is a hypocrit thing as a lot of those Pros DO use Sketchup very often in one or another phase of their work. (an SU model gets imported in their dinosaur apps for composition, refined modeling, texturing and finally rendering)
They just don't say it, being afraid of being laughed at.
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It is too easy to imagine that the market that we are exposed to in our everyday work is the norm. Just because one's personal experience would tend to indicate that PR is the only viable market direction and that NPR is dying out, may not really reflect what is happening in the market at large.
In fact I can report that the interest in Piranesi at the AIA convention has significantly increased over previous years. If it were not true that there is a marked market interest in NPR then all the various applications out there that are attempting to add NPR rendering to their tool kit are mistaken. I hardly think that they are.
We had a representative of a giant PR rendering firm come to the Piranesi booth and he talked of his expectation that the interest in PR will dry up and there will be an increased interest in NPR. Not only is PR very expensive to generate, for conceptual work, of which there is a preponderance, NPR is much more compelling and involving for the client. He personally wished he could tackle NPR but indicated he was intimidated.
I wouldn't write off NPR just because your personal interest and experience is in the direction of PR. Different strokes......
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As I am not "on THE (architectural) market", I cannot contribute in that way but what I can tell is that when we made that Gothic Pécs project (which was/is actually quite a success at the exhibition) in Max, there arose a kind of "demand" for a book(let) edition of it and the final decision was something NPR (i.e. some sketchy edges style however not really wtercolour technique). So although they could have gone in the PR direction as well, they wanted to stick to a different appearance (maybe because I could produce some images that were - in their atmosphere at least - a bit similar to those medieval drawings and later cuts).
So I would not "bury" NPR either. The fact that lately there have been a couple of (more or less easily) usable renderer apps (and some of them are free or at least affordable) will not turn the "market" totally into this direction. It's the top of a wave now as many more people can discover them (like 3D modeling in general with the free SU and similar apps).
Yes, I like PR renderings, especially when they are really good and I'm amazed what can be achieved but I like NPR as well and enjoy the artistic implementations of it. It's like when I enjoy a photo exhibition as well as a painting gallery.
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