Parasite selling of 3d warehouse content/CAD plans/ freeware

TaffGoch

...personally i think the marketing department at coca-cola (and quite a few other places) need a slap and a damm good talking to, maybe that would bring them back in to the real world.

I fear that THEY portend the emerging 'real world.' THEY think we're 'stuck in the past.' THEY hold politcal power. THEY are 'progressive' while we are 'regressive.'

And I'm certain that THEY would view your 'slap' reference as an indication that you are violent and a danger, and for the common good, you should be removed from society, where you can then attend court-ordered 'anger management' classes.

I'm just glad that Chilling Effects and EFF are on our side -- as is, apparently, Google. Can you imagine what this would do to the internet in general, and to Google specifically? 'Chilling Effects' is appropriately named.

remus

@taffgoch said:

And I'm certain that THEY would view your 'slap' reference as an indication that you are violent and a danger, and for the common good, you should be removed from society...

sad but true, i think.

hombre

@taffgoch said:

North American Aviation is now part of Boeing. If Boeing wanted to, they can require Google (3D Warehouse) to remove my models, because they alledgedly violate DMCA provisions:

Digital Millennium Copyright Act

This has happened already, at the 3D-digital-model site, TurboSquid:

WWII Bomber: "Trademark Infringement"

This is already entrenched in the plastic-model-kit industry. All model companies now have to pay royalties to produce models of the F-16, railroad cars, Ford Mustangs, etc. The royalties are so egregious (in some cases, $40 per kit,) that many kit manufacturers have severely cut-back their offerings. 3D digital models are being targeted next.

Wow...is that true?

It's hard to believe that 12 year old kids represent a threat to these companies by building plastic models.

..yet, with all that has occurred in this now overly PC world, I can see where we may come to a time when no one can be specific about anything for fear of legal repercussions, or the overt greed of some disallows even the most innocuous use of images, etc.

I think I may start some frantic downloading activity at 3DW......LOL

rickgraham

@unknownuser said:

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to clarify how to get copyrighted material removed from the 3D Warehouse. According the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)

Dumb question - does the DMCA or other treatises really take into account that ebay and the internet (for that matter) are international, and some places will/do not recognize these?

Now, believe me - I am for doing the right thing, but I know that in past and pending cases that lawyers have to jump through international hoops to get things resolved. Litigation can take years.

Rick

Gaieus

Rick,

Here Jody speaks on behalf of Google and the 3D Warehouse - he is in charge of obviously - should any copirighted material be uploaded there (think of FormFonts models for instance). Certainly he cannot help with the rest of the internet.

honoluludesktop

Had this discussion with someone yesterday. All knowledge is based on passing on the past. Contemporary property rights often restrict the growth of knowledge.

Sigh......... When you pay a professional photographer for photos of your building design, you can be restricted from posting it on the net without his permission.

Rich O Brien

This problem raised it's head in my workplace last year. Previously we used Aircraft Maintenance Manuals (Boeing/Airbus) to produce Training Manuals. When i say 'used' we refer to the manuals for info and interpret to more simplistic meaning. Manufacturers contacted Aviation Training Schools to inform them that use of diagrams/schematics/drawings etc, whether up-to-date or not, could no longer be used in a 'Training Enviroment' unless 'Agreements' had being put in place.

Now we extensively use SU to help produce aircraft components for diagrams within our manuals and in the classroom it's great to show 3D parts to compliment the diagrams within our manuals.

I know it's an unconventional use for SU but i works great for us.

Boeing/Airbus invest heavily to protect their content from being duplicated outside a maintenance enviroment and if this assault on the 3D warehouse holds water, it'll get messy.

It's a shame as hobbyists who model these offer a great incite into aviation and do the aircraft themselves a great justice.

toxicvoxel

In law there exist the principle of 'foreground' and 'background' IP. If I take a photograph of a bottle of Pepsi I hold the foreground IP relating to the photograph, but Pepsi holds the background rights - which may become a problem for I if you wish to use the image commercially without their consent. To assume that use of the background IP without an explicit agreement cannot be an issue because it benefits the holder of the background IP is a sure way to get into difficulty.

This principle can be applied to other things for example where a software developer writes an application for a client based on the internal business procedures of that company. The developer may rightfully claim copyright of the application (foreground IP - if the client did not purchase it as part of the deal) but the client may restrict the distribution of the software based on the fact that it is built on their business logic (background IP). The same principles may apply to doing visualisation work. It is therefore important that both parties always resolve this duality as part of their agreements, as alater dispute can potentially lead to a situation where neither party can use the end product as there are mutual rights encapsulated in it.

One should also be aware that creating models of weaponry and certain building and installations may raise other legal issues as it may be illegal in some countries to photograph or create representations of these for security reasons.