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    • R Offline
      rsw
      last edited by

      orry to drag this topic off course..

      modelhead, not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but declaring the doctype is important. essentially the doctype tells your browser what standard your page is written to and how it should interpret the code, otherwise it will display the pages in quirks mode, but probably (for now) isn't something to worry about too much.

      krisidiuos, that code doesn't prevent right click in firefox... and if i really want the image i can view the source and find the location of the image anyway. I would suggest you don't use 1139 x 1709 pixel images if yo are worried about copyright, especially when the originating page only displays them at 340 x 499.

      Richard

      http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

      http:i158.photobucket.comalbumst106671GUAMDUDEAnimated---User-Green.gif

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      • EdsonE Offline
        Edson
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        @krisidious said:

        I thought I might divert you guys a bit with a little paranoia...

        I run a house plan website. as we know in AutoCAD, and other drafting software's images are quite easy to copy, import and trace... in other words... design theft.

        how can you protect yourself?

        kris, i share your concern and do not think it is paranoia: it does happen! however, i think it is a lost battle. the most we can do is make it a little more difficult for the thieves of ideas. after all we may do to the images it is enough to take a screen shot to walk away with them.

        p.s.: at this point i still feel insecure dealing directly with code. i do not know the syntax well so am afraid of ruining the little i have achieved so far.

        edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
        http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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        • KrisidiousK Offline
          Krisidious
          last edited by

          yes firefox is different this script is for IE only...

          the reaosn I use the large image is I use the same image for multiple pages some larger some smaller...

          FireFox is like socialism, they want you to have everything for free....

          By: Kristoff Rand
          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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          • KrisidiousK Offline
            Krisidious
            last edited by

            Edson,

            the HTML Protect Software disables your ability to use the screen shot key or function

            By: Kristoff Rand
            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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            • R Offline
              rsw
              last edited by

              @krisidious said:

              yes firefox is different this script is for IE only...

              which raises another question do you check if your sites display and operate correctly across different browsers? do safari users see what an ie user does? does a page operate the same in firefox as it does in opera? I have to admit that I don't do this (although I probably will do)

              Richard

              http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

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              • KrisidiousK Offline
                Krisidious
                last edited by

                I do occasionally, although right now my CSS brings my footer up too high on FireFox...

                MS Front-Page, which is what I use, has a multiple browser and resolution and connection speed viewer built in.

                By: Kristoff Rand
                Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                • KrisidiousK Offline
                  Krisidious
                  last edited by

                  I agree and disagree Bruce...

                  I believe you fail W3C without declaration which may affect rankings...

                  I also just switched to CSS in Jan. been upset with it ever since. my pages load faster, size is much smaller but still have a lot of issues and don't care for the look of typed basic fonts as navigation... I like image maps personally. and like you said cross browser use is messy.

                  By: Kristoff Rand
                  Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                    Krisidious
                    last edited by

                    Bruce, I hope you're saving all this info... you're going to have a book to sell when you're done!

                    awesome work btw.

                    By: Kristoff Rand
                    Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                      rsw
                      last edited by

                      I think (and i stand to be corrected) that a lot of the problems occur because IE (ver 6 and earlier at least) has a buggy implementation of most CSS, and therefore needs a doctype to force it to follow the standards. So if you write html to a particular standard, you should definately declare the doctype, otherwise, theres no point, and including it will probably result in incorrectly rendered pages.

                      krisidious: there should be no reason why you can't use images for navigation...

                      Richard

                      http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

                      http:i158.photobucket.comalbumst106671GUAMDUDEAnimated---User-Green.gif

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                      • KrisidiousK Offline
                        Krisidious
                        last edited by

                        well we have this page... you could always make your own how to site for iframes or a small how too book... just thinking out loud, but you've put tons of work into this between this forum and the pages you have created to go with it...

                        a big thanks to you Bruce. must feel good to see these guy's websites and know you helped make it happen.

                        By: Kristoff Rand
                        Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                        • R Offline
                          rsw
                          last edited by

                          @unknownuser said:

                          Richard...that could be the case but as I said we a rendering properly everywhere!!

                          I realize that, and if you declare a doctype in your pages now, this will probably change. so you are right to leave it as it is for now.
                          

                          as for standards affecting page rank, i think it does, but to what extent i'm not sure. Following standards should ensure well structured html (and therefore content) which may effect page rank. Also worth noting is that according to this page "the content of an iframe isn't loaded by a web crawler/indexer. That is something that only happens in a browser. What a search engine sees is only the iframe code, it does not see the "content" of the frame. Make sure that all pages stand alone in regards to indexable content. Keep in mind that the content of the iframe will not be seen or indexed or counted towards keyword density of the page"
                          I really have hijacked this thread haven't I...
                          back to those tutorials now...

                          Richard

                          http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

                          http:i158.photobucket.comalbumst106671GUAMDUDEAnimated---User-Green.gif

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                          • KrisidiousK Offline
                            Krisidious
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                            Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 5:53 am
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                            Name: Kristoff Rand
                            I would say that's a big fat NO Bruce...

                            By: Kristoff Rand
                            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                            • EdsonE Offline
                              Edson
                              last edited by

                              yes, bruce, i have been playing with iframes and am about to post something for you to see. i am looking at the site to see where it is appropriate to insert an iframe in order to save work on repetitive tasks.

                              the one thing which is still bugging me is how to make a vertical nav bar aligned to the right and/or to the left. if there is a way to do it, i could not find it. the alternative that ocurred to me is not to use a nav bar but to make one by hand linking text to pages: each project name is a text linked to its page. then i could align them to the right.

                              cheers.

                              edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                              http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                                alan wood
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                                Hi Kris,
                                I would like you, to add yourself, to my lists of credits.
                                You mentioned linking to others sites way back in this thread.

                                My site is no where ready yet, but I emailed the chap who has the top listing if you input hand cut dovetails in the google search engine.

                                I'm top of his list at present if you enter his site.

                                I'm working away in the background on loads of issues to do with web building. One issue is my home page. So that will be update soon.

                                So thanks to you as well.

                                cheers

                                Alan

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                                  rsw
                                  last edited by

                                  modelhead, I wasn't sure whether the page i linked to was correct or not, and don't reallyy know much about iframes as i've never had the need to use them. and that was one of the first pages that i came to when searching how iframes are indexed - i was trying to find out how they compare to frames. so i'll hold my hands up to that one and admit i might be wrong.

                                  Richard

                                  http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

                                  http:i158.photobucket.comalbumst106671GUAMDUDEAnimated---User-Green.gif

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                                    alan wood
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                                    Edson
                                    I may have the answer for that.
                                    Highlight your existing navigation bar.
                                    go to the top menu bar, tool>advanced navigation bar editor and select that.
                                    In the dialogue box your navigation bars appear.
                                    Double click on each navigation bar.
                                    Look at the top of the editor dialogue box, and you have the option of aline, left, centre or right.

                                    Cheers
                                    Alan

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                                    • KrisidiousK Offline
                                      Krisidious
                                      last edited by

                                      awesome awesome awesome... that's like watching your kid walk for the first time Alan... that is one juicy link... now Google knows nothing about dovetails... but they know that " http://home.nj.rr.com/afoust/dovetails.html#howto " is the best resource out there for links or information about dovetails, and since he thinks that you're such a great site... now google will see you as an authority on Dove tails... and if you are not required to link back, then it's even better.

                                      fantastic... you're well on your way.

                                      do that everyday... e-mail 1 or 2 people, 5 if you like before you know it, you'll be number #1

                                      5,590 websites mention me, and I'm horrible at taking my own advice. soon you'll pass me and fly on... people will be linking to you wiht out being asked, just to give people your information...

                                      I'm sooo happy for you. your first link and it's number 1 for your keyword that's just great you made my day.

                                      By: Kristoff Rand
                                      Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                        alan wood
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi Kris,
                                        Thanks for that and your help.
                                        cheers
                                        Alan

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                                        • R Offline
                                          rsw
                                          last edited by

                                          since you're looking at nav bars etc, i thought i'd drop in this bit of work which i did a while ago, which you may or may not find useful. i realise its not a high priority at the moment, but you may be find it interesting to see what can be done with css.

                                          Standalone Menu

                                          The main aim of this was to create the triangle that you see to the left of the menu items without the need for images.
                                          the beauty of this is that to add another menu item all that has to be added within the menu structure is the following

                                          <li><a href="link here" title="description"><span></span>MENU TITLE</a></li>
                                          

                                          Menu within a page

                                          if you also look at the source for the above page the content is actually coded to come before the menu items, so in search results (which pay no attention to styling) the content is more likely to be displayed in the page summary instead of the menu list.

                                          Richard

                                          http:img.userbars.pl9819554.png

                                          http:i158.photobucket.comalbumst106671GUAMDUDEAnimated---User-Green.gif

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                                          • EdsonE Offline
                                            Edson
                                            last edited by

                                            @alan wood said:

                                            Edson
                                            I may have the answer for that.

                                            alan, you did have the answer! thanks a lot. you have just made my day. and congrats on the advances you have been making!

                                            cheers.

                                            edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                                            http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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