Blogs?

rsw

model head, the w3c (as far as i am aware actually help to set the standards) and i think the validator is the most up to date there is (was last updated on the 8th of this month).

It is interesting though, that both firefox and internet explorer do not pass the acid2 test. The Acid2 test should render correctly on any browser that follows the W3C HTML and CSS 2.0 specifications. So you may produce a fully compliant webpage, which is then not rendered correctly by your browser anyway. which sort of defeats the purpose of following standards in the first place.

however, in my opinion, if we all write valid code, we'll encourage developers of internet browsers to produce programs which can render standards compliant code correctly, and in the end creating better cross browser compatibility of our websites.

The way I see is a bit like writing a book, you wouldn't expect to publish a book which was full of grammatical errors, neither would I design a building which didn't conform to building regulations etc. so why should I write a page that doesn't follow standards?

however, just to take one of your pages from your page you link to in your sig (http://www.ibuildmodels.com/edson/index.html), which is not valid (check here) most of the errors are the same type, and probably a good indication that the yahoo sitebuilder produces reasonably valid code.

also, as a quick test i tried FireVox screen reader which produces some interesting results!

Krisidious

I thought I might divert you guys a bit with a little paranoia...

I run a house plan website. as we know in AutoCAD, and other drafting software's images are quite easy to copy, import and trace... in other words... design theft.

how can you protect yourself?

I offer a simple scare tactic... I open myself to the very theft that I loath... so that you might protect yourself, I will reveal my methods...

methods

a Terms & Policy page... quoting the copyright statutes...
a script disabling the ability of visitors to right click on your page.

<script>
<!-- //Hide script from older browsers
var msg = "If you are found to have copied, reproduced, built or financed this plan, legal action will be taken! Your personal IP address has been logged. please observe the designers copyright.";

if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Netscape") != -1) {
  document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);
}

document.onmousedown = trapClick;

function trapClick(ev) {
  if (document.all) {
    if (event.button == 2) {
      alert(msg);
      return false;
    }
   }
   if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Netscape") != -1) {
    if (ev.which == 3) {
      alert(msg);
      return false;
    }
  }
}

//-->
    </script>

http://www.antssoft.com/htmlprotector/index.htm ... software to help you.
slicing your images into little piece and then fitting them all back together side by side and a top one another to recreate the graphic so that people would have to save each individual slice in order to steal one's work.

I hope I have not scared you all... I just want you to be aware that people can take your work...

Krisidious

actually that html protect disables your screen shot button while on the page.

good point on water marking or digital sigs Bruce.

Krisidious

did someone delete my link?

alan wood

Hi Kris,
Thanks for the advice. Copied your post. I'll wait for something from Bruce on this topic. I was reading last night a photoshop manual about uploading images to the web. I will be dealing with that in detail over the next few days.

Modelehead,
I tend to make detailed notes after a project, makes life easier down the line when I might need a recap. Adding a batch of similar sized pages using a template and double clicking, just speeds thing along nicely.
cheers
Alan.

rsw

orry to drag this topic off course..

modelhead, not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but declaring the doctype is important. essentially the doctype tells your browser what standard your page is written to and how it should interpret the code, otherwise it will display the pages in quirks mode, but probably (for now) isn't something to worry about too much.

krisidiuos, that code doesn't prevent right click in firefox... and if i really want the image i can view the source and find the location of the image anyway. I would suggest you don't use 1139 x 1709 pixel images if yo are worried about copyright, especially when the originating page only displays them at 340 x 499.

Edson

@krisidious said:

I thought I might divert you guys a bit with a little paranoia...

I run a house plan website. as we know in AutoCAD, and other drafting software's images are quite easy to copy, import and trace... in other words... design theft.

how can you protect yourself?

kris, i share your concern and do not think it is paranoia: it does happen! however, i think it is a lost battle. the most we can do is make it a little more difficult for the thieves of ideas. after all we may do to the images it is enough to take a screen shot to walk away with them.

p.s.: at this point i still feel insecure dealing directly with code. i do not know the syntax well so am afraid of ruining the little i have achieved so far.

Krisidious

yes firefox is different this script is for IE only...

the reaosn I use the large image is I use the same image for multiple pages some larger some smaller...

FireFox is like socialism, they want you to have everything for free....

Krisidious

Edson,

the HTML Protect Software disables your ability to use the screen shot key or function

rsw

@krisidious said:

yes firefox is different this script is for IE only...

which raises another question do you check if your sites display and operate correctly across different browsers? do safari users see what an ie user does? does a page operate the same in firefox as it does in opera? I have to admit that I don't do this (although I probably will do)

Krisidious

I do occasionally, although right now my CSS brings my footer up too high on FireFox...

MS Front-Page, which is what I use, has a multiple browser and resolution and connection speed viewer built in.

Krisidious

I agree and disagree Bruce...

I believe you fail W3C without declaration which may affect rankings...

I also just switched to CSS in Jan. been upset with it ever since. my pages load faster, size is much smaller but still have a lot of issues and don't care for the look of typed basic fonts as navigation... I like image maps personally. and like you said cross browser use is messy.

Krisidious

Bruce, I hope you're saving all this info... you're going to have a book to sell when you're done!

awesome work btw.

rsw

I think (and i stand to be corrected) that a lot of the problems occur because IE (ver 6 and earlier at least) has a buggy implementation of most CSS, and therefore needs a doctype to force it to follow the standards. So if you write html to a particular standard, you should definately declare the doctype, otherwise, theres no point, and including it will probably result in incorrectly rendered pages.

krisidious: there should be no reason why you can't use images for navigation...

Krisidious

well we have this page... you could always make your own how to site for iframes or a small how too book... just thinking out loud, but you've put tons of work into this between this forum and the pages you have created to go with it...

a big thanks to you Bruce. must feel good to see these guy's websites and know you helped make it happen.

rsw

@unknownuser said:

Richard...that could be the case but as I said we a rendering properly everywhere!!

I realize that, and if you declare a doctype in your pages now, this will probably change. so you are right to leave it as it is for now.

as for standards affecting page rank, i think it does, but to what extent i'm not sure. Following standards should ensure well structured html (and therefore content) which may effect page rank. Also worth noting is that according to this page "the content of an iframe isn't loaded by a web crawler/indexer. That is something that only happens in a browser. What a search engine sees is only the iframe code, it does not see the "content" of the frame. Make sure that all pages stand alone in regards to indexable content. Keep in mind that the content of the iframe will not be seen or indexed or counted towards keyword density of the page"
I really have hijacked this thread haven't I...
back to those tutorials now...

Krisidious

Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 5:53 am
Posts: 1668
Name: Kristoff Rand
I would say that's a big fat NO Bruce...

Edson

yes, bruce, i have been playing with iframes and am about to post something for you to see. i am looking at the site to see where it is appropriate to insert an iframe in order to save work on repetitive tasks.

the one thing which is still bugging me is how to make a vertical nav bar aligned to the right and/or to the left. if there is a way to do it, i could not find it. the alternative that ocurred to me is not to use a nav bar but to make one by hand linking text to pages: each project name is a text linked to its page. then i could align them to the right.

cheers.

alan wood

Hi Kris,
I would like you, to add yourself, to my lists of credits.
You mentioned linking to others sites way back in this thread.

My site is no where ready yet, but I emailed the chap who has the top listing if you input hand cut dovetails in the google search engine.

I'm top of his list at present if you enter his site.

I'm working away in the background on loads of issues to do with web building. One issue is my home page. So that will be update soon.

So thanks to you as well.

cheers

Alan

rsw

modelhead, I wasn't sure whether the page i linked to was correct or not, and don't reallyy know much about iframes as i've never had the need to use them. and that was one of the first pages that i came to when searching how iframes are indexed - i was trying to find out how they compare to frames. so i'll hold my hands up to that one and admit i might be wrong.