Have you ever seen one of these?
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Just curious if anybody actually seen one of these installed. I imagine it's not real convenient to use.
Mike
Edit, I cleaned up the file so now its half the size it was.
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Thats rather clever actually, not only a space saver but also a water saver as it looks like it drains into the toilet bowl.
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Used something similar on projects for KDOC...though they were spec'd stainless steel.
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Originally and actually... It is really existing thing?
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I have never seen one of these IRL...
But I sure like the idea, although - and as you mention yourself - I'm not sure if the concept is conveniently possible...I can imagine that there would be issues with the soap remains from washing your hands in the toilet cistern... But what do I know... Maybe some kind of special soap or a filter would make this possible...?!?
What render application have you used for the image..??
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Interesting little spacesaver. There does actually seem to be a market for this kind of thing, but it's usually in stainless steel. http://www.acorneng.com/penal.htm
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@ urgen, yes they really exist, here's a link http://www.caroma.com.au/products/index_profile.html
Someone on another forum I visit was looking for a model so I thought it was an interesting challenge.
@ tomsdesk and Alan Fraser, I think that the stainless steel units are more commercial where as these are aimed at the residential market.
@ Frederik, I wish that I could claim that as my rendering but it's a photo from their website
And my model doesn't look nearly as good 
Mike
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The one Alan references is for use in a correctional environment, as will likely be the case for any you find in stainless steel. In that setting (jails / prisons) they need to be as indestructable and tamper / vandalism proof as possible. In my experience - the water from the sink is not recycled for the toilet. The benefit of these type of units is saving space, and also the minimal number of fixed piping connections during construction, and when repairs need to be made. Also - they can be very refreshing on a cold morning!
Edit.....spelling
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I think it would also be useful in a design where the toilet and lavatory is compartmentalized or in separate rooms.
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These are very common in Japan (where space is limited everywhere!). There is a slight inconvenience in that you have to straddle the toilet bowl (or kneel / stand on it - if you are short) but over all the design works well.
The soapy water does go into the cistern, but I'd imagine that it is watered down significantly since you don't use nearly as much water to wash your hands as it takes to fill the flush mechanism.
Ampa
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I must admit, it does seem practical.... but eeewwwwwwww! You wouldn't find me brushing my teeth in that! I know the water is not being sucked out of the toilet bowl, but just the thought of it grosses me out.
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Alpro
I saw that and quickly deleted my post, sorry!edit... PS, thank you for the component
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tinanne, actually the skippy (component) is also attached above.
Mike
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nevermind just saw that you removed your previous post. -
That's ok. The model isn't that good, was basicially a challenge for myself. I was surprised at how hard it's to model a toilet bowl with all the curves. Maybe someone has a good method for this?
Mike
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I've seen the toilet tank sink idea before. Alan is right that it is a common penal ware configuration. More interesting is there are conversion kits available for regular residential toilets. The ones I've seen come from Japan and the water flows each time you flush. Rather than just fill the tank directly, the water is routed up to the sink. They are marketed in North America not so much as a space saver but as a way of making better use of the water. Typically the water would just be cold and if you used soap then yes the bubbles would end up in the toilet bowl. That might be a good thing as it might help keep the bowl clean.
'Real Goods' used to sell the conversion kits.
Regards, Ross
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Perhaps I should have explained my facetious vernacular: KDOC is Kansas Department of Corrections :`)
I too would have trouble knee-hugging then bending over the toilet to brush my teeth.
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If you follow the link Alan posted - you see that the typical correctional version has the direct on orientation of the two "features"at a 45 deg. angle - which is usualy how the chase in a cell is set into the corner. They even make accessible versions of these combi-units for HC cells.
Tom - our work is all on the east coast, but the DOC vernacular is way too familiar as it applies to most states we have done work in.
Bytor
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Yeah, ours were at 45deg too...the security construction was particularly fascinating to me (as well as the stories by the corrections officials of how often it was defeated by bored inmates with ingenious tools made from seemingly innocuous materials :`)
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Now just add a urinal and a bidet and you have one stop shopping
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