Solar system in the Park
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My first big project in SU,idea of square where we have solar system,everything is located in Park.
poster: jessalba
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Fun concept! (The guy looking out to the left bugs me unless you have another view from where he's looking, then...Fantastic!) Looks like a nice place to be 'cause I see kids sitting on saturn.
Best, Tom.
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I think my problem with this type of model is the inaccuracy... while it's beautiful... in reality would not the planets be on the other side of the park? and would the whole piece be for educating children? well I'm prolly just anal... it is a beautiful model though...
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@unknownuser said:
I think my problem with this type of model is the inaccuracy... while it's beautiful... in reality would not the planets be on the other side of the park?
I don't wish to be a wet blanket, but not only are the sizes of the planets and their distances from the sun wildly out of scale, they're also out of plane. The ecliptic plane, which contains the orbits of the planets, passes through the sun.
-Gully
poster: Gully Foyle
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Nice work jessalba. It has a simplicity about it and is very pleasent.
P.S
Remember you can add more sides to a circle if you require smoother looking and more natural circles. -
@unknownuser said:
I think my problem with this type of model is the inaccuracy... while it's beautiful... in reality would not the planets be on the other side of the park? and would the whole piece be for educating children? well I'm prolly just anal... it is a beautiful model though...
In fact they have built this to scale in Helsinki, with a much smaller Sun and planets, and they still don't fit in a park, but are scattered over the region. The Saturn is about the size of a baseball, it is near where I work...
Anssi
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photos Anssi... that is awesome...
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I, for one, don't think it is neccessary to have the planets and wot-not to scale. It's a park - not a museum / planetarium. A park is playful, less formal and somewhat informative (in this case, anyway).
Having said that, I don't think one has to be so blatantly literal about the whole thing, putting orbs down and having this odd ball above the pond.
Rather use the pond as the sun, the paving variations representing the various orbital paths are fine, have different objects (with some kind of link to the name of the planet or the planet itself somehow) in the various places where you'd find that planet / moon / whatever. To me, that will be way more interesting than having these orbs all over the place.
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I for one really love the idea. I don't mind the scale variance. Sometimes its valuable to educate through one's imagination than the reality. Plenty of ideas come to mind.
- The planets would be in their relative orbit (which is pretty flat, except for Pluto) hovering off of the ground. The lines on the ground would indicate their orbiting path.
- Each planet has a placard that includes planetary facts. I'd put them on the ground and connecting somehow to the orbit indicators.
- A placard at the center next to the Sun would explains the scale differences.
- Pluto because its orbit is off axis (more so than the rest) could be high off the ground, and nearly untouchable, adding a air of reach and distance it truly has.
- You could also pick an important time in history that would mark the planets position.
I love it!
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Where is this concept going to be at?
poster: Invader ZIM
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Yes, I agree with Monsterzero. While it does contain inaccuracies, it can probably be more defined as art, such as a bronze statue of balls and squiggly lines. The fact that the art is made from the solar system doesn't mean its wrong or inaccurate. What if the planets were made square or the sun made from one of those giant stone balls that sit in water and has water cascading down it like at DisneyLand? Adding facts as MZ has mentioned would make it a learning experience too. Perhaps plaques set into the stone or something.
To me, this is very creative and unique and I would find it very interesting as a piece of art. I wouldn't find myself measuring the distance from the earth to the sun and trying to figure out the scales just to see if they are off. I would find myself sitting on a planet (especially if they are square) and taking in some quiet time.
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@unknownuser said:
Where is this concept going to be at?
I don't think this is a real project, judging by the trees etc. around. This is probably just someone toying with a thought and visualising it.
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@todamgood4u said:
...I wouldn't find myself measuring the distance from the earth to the sun and trying to figure out the scales just to see if they are off.
todamgood,That's really very nice, but we're not talking about this model being just slightly or subtlely out of scale--so that you'd have to measure it to determine whether it's accurate. It's really way, way off.
Judging by the image, let's say that the Earth, the green ball, is about two feet in diameter. At that scale, the Sun would be over 218 feet in diameter and would be almost four-and-a-half miles away. At that same scale, Pluto would be 4.33 inches in diameter and 175 miles from the sun.
So please, let's not mistake grossly inaccurate and unscientific misinformation, which could seriously confuse both children and adults, for "artistic license." I would like to think that we can express ourselves artistically without plunging ourselves back into the Dark Ages academically.
jessalba, please do not be discouraged by this; make it a challenge to push both your artistic and intellectual skills to the next level.
-Gully
poster: Gully Foyle
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A bit of reference:
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Gully, quit being such a wet blanket. I know engineers HAVE to be precise, but that doesn't apply to all other fields of life.
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@unknownuser said:
Gully, quit being such a wet blanket. I know engineers HAVE to be precise, but that doesn't apply to all other fields of life.
Well, Juju, I think one of the most wonderful and fascinating things about our universe is how big it is and how small we are.
I think kids deserve to be enlightened about how magnificent the universe is, not to be misinformed because of the vanity of adults who wish to exercise their artistic license at the expense of intellectual integrity.
-Gully
poster Gully Foyle
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I think it is a great feature in a park -- even with the relative scales all wrong. The textbooks we had as children had the scales all wrong too. One interesting addition would be to engrave the story about the correct scales into the top of the little wall around the sun. That way the viewers reading the words would have to revolve around the sun too. As they do they become informed about the relative vastness of space and have their imaginations further provoked.
Regards, Ross
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and what about PLUTON ?
no planet any more
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A bit of reference:
http://www.howbigistheworld.com/
I've been to mars and I swear it's bigger than that... I would venture to bet that if checked the references on that site are a little off... I thought 386 earths fit into Jupiter... or was that the sun? either way it just seems somewhat off...
if you'd like to visit mars or any planet for that matter, for free and perhaps even build your own spaceship in SU and fly it to mars see this link and research the simulator...
Free Space Simulator/Engineering Testing
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/ -
@unknownuser said:
You describe a struggle that has been going on for many years Gully. You are treading on very soft feet, for those in the battle have contributed some of the most profound works.
I think you need to explain how intellect is connected to the proccess of creation and what is "intellectual integrity" to help us understand your view.
mh,
I'm not going to spend much time on this, since, frankly, I don't really know what you're trying to say. Is the struggle to which you refer supposed to be between artistic expression and factual accuracy? Are you saying that artists' feet are soft? What does that mean? What battle?
You ask how intellect is connected to creation? Are you serious? If our buildings and bridges are to stand rather than collapsing, if airplanes are to fly and ships to float, if prose and poetry are to inspire and edify rather than spew forth as inane gibberish, intellect and creativity must be partners, not adversaries. What possible creative endeavor can succeed without intellect behind it? You must know your tools, know your medium, and know your audience, or, as an artist, you must stand paralyzed, silent, and helpless.
Insofar as the present case is concerned, with the model of the model of the solar system, presumably the objective here is to teach. So to teachers, I would say the same thing that Hippocrates said to physicians: first, do no harm. If you are going to teach, do not misinform.
Are you still unclear regarding my view?
-Gully
poster: Gully Foyle
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