Ukraine
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@srx said:
I suggest to watch this movie first. If your government let you.
https://youtu.be/ywdtmpK_AP0SRX, thanks for the link. I managed to watch the full video even with a few breakups along the way. Don't know if this is being caused or just my broadband.
I have been an admirer of Oliver Stone's work for some years, particularly the work he did on the JFK assassination. His work just provides hard provable facts and lets the viewer/listener make up their own mind.
This work, Ukraine on Fire (2016) is no different. He provides a lot of background and historic information on Ukraine which I was not aware of. I'm glad I viewed as it has broadened my perspective.
My opinion remains the same however, powers, not just political powers, outside Ukraine are at work steering a sought devastation of the country in order to progress an agenda of probable total World hegemony.
The only update that is needed to the video is in relation the the Doomsday Clock. At the time of production the clock was at 3 minutes (180 seconds) to midnight. That figure now stands at 100 seconds and I imagine that figure is decreasing as each day of carnage unfolds.
One thought that struck me while watching was the fact that Ukraine has two predominant languages, Ukrainian, the official language and Russian in much to the Eastern and Southern parts. Even though it was sought to have Russian recognised as an official language in Ukraine this did not happen.
I firmly believe that a language can be the single most uniting factor in a country. It makes for common sense if one thinks about it. People instantly understand each other which in turn leads to common ground and peaceful existence.
Countries that have different language speakers are always prone to disagreements and misunderstands. They simply are not a natural grouping. Maybe the best result for Ukraine would be a split into two semi autonomous sections, a Ukrainian speaking section and a Russian speaking section possibly with a joint executive for mutual cooperation. Probably a pipe dream!
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I cannot see that, truth is, people move across the world, it's just a fact of human life but it does not mean that those settlers can seize territory.
Do we English allow the speakers of Urdu to cede parts of the country because as a minority they feel better able to live their life it the area becomes part of India? Just part of the issue.
Tamil separatists fought for a long time because ethnic Indians had become the majority and they had lost their voice in their own country.
Does living in peace mean telling other people that we want what they have and they have to give it to us? No. Being blunt and that is how to deal with issues like this, we humans defend what is ours. I know that this is not as it seems in the news. I knew it was coming a long time ago and pointed it out to eu senior folk then.
This is why I voted to leave the eu with it's expansion at any cost and "Damn the torpedoes". I do not believe Russia the main driving force in this, I point my fingers at the PRC tbh. I am fully aware that Russia has a feeling of being pushed back into it's own back yard, surrounded by hostile nations but honestly, this feeling is paranoia and not fact. Take a look at NATO nations inability to actually pay for defence for a start. Even quite recently a situation existed where a certain eu nation did not have enough rifles or beds for it's soldiers, parts for their aircraft to fly properly and ALL of it's submarines (Yes, all SIX) were stuck pier side with serious shortages of spare parts. The minister in charge then is now the eu president. Now we have talk of the independent nations in the region being concerned enough to join NATO. Russia has achieved what US presidents have failed to do since the end of ww2.
This action has increased the isolationist state of Russia and the economy is going to crash in a way we have not seen since the great depression of the twenties. How can this be what the Russian people need?
Overall my view of this is coloured by the waste. Life does not have to be this way, we are supposed to be an intelligent species. As someone who has to fight to get medical care I view the wanton killing and destruction as a crime against humanity and the other species that have to share this planet with us. HOW much pollution has been chucked into the atmosphere? HOW much crap put into the water table? HOW many bodies left to rot on the ground because they cannot be retrieved?
There was a television program a long time ago now "Angry old gits", they complained about stuff done for this, that and nothing and I am afraid I am now a fully paid up member. Goes feeling aggrieved at the existence of another nation mean our soldiers can go in and shoot civilians whenever we feel like it? Is THAT how Russia wants to tell the world how badly they feel let down? Do Russians think that is something the world will listen to?
People, real people across the world will have their lives shortened by this, will find the cost of living too much, not be able to feed themselves or their kids, be unable to heat their homes - if they have them. Damn something, the torpedoes are a LONG way down the list.
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@srx said:
I suggest to watch this movie first. If your gouverment let you.
Let me guess.. Western elites (Rothschilds) set up color neo-nazi revolution in Ukraine in order to take away from great russia it's sovereign right to rape, execute and burn to ashes its neighbors.
Exactly like they stole this right from the people of great serbia back in 1999.
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I have an eye on Finland's decisions. I think, attending NATO or not will have a crucial impact on the war result or even Russia's destiny.
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If Russia continues on this path their future will be as a PRC satellite. Something I doubt many of them spotted on the horizon.
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At last they start to call a spade a spade. Thanks Tim Snyder
Fascism was never defeated as an idea.
As a cult of irrationality and violence, it could not be vanquished as an argument: So long as Nazi Germany seemed strong, Europeans and others were tempted. It was only on the battlefields of World War II that fascism was defeated. Now it’s back — and this time, the country fighting a fascist war of destruction is Russia. Should Russia win, fascists around the world will be comforted.
We err in limiting our fears of fascism to a certain image of Hitler and the Holocaust. Fascism was Italian in origin, popular in Romania — where fascists were Orthodox Christians who dreamed of cleansing violence — and had adherents throughout Europe (and America). In all its varieties, it was about the triumph of will over reason.
Because of that, it’s impossible to define satisfactorily. People disagree, often vehemently, over what constitutes fascism. But today’s Russia meets most of the criteria that scholars tend to apply. It has a cult around a single leader, Vladimir Putin. It has a cult of the dead, organized around World War II. It has a myth of a past golden age of imperial greatness, to be restored by a war of healing violence — the murderous war on Ukraine.
It’s not the first time Ukraine has been the object of fascist war. The conquest of the country was Hitler’s main war aim in 1941. Hitler thought that the Soviet Union, which then ruled Ukraine, was a Jewish state: He planned to replace Soviet rule with his own and claim Ukraine’s fertile agricultural soil. The Soviet Union would be starved, and Germany would become an empire. He imagined that this would be easy because the Soviet Union, to his mind, was an artificial creation and the Ukrainians a colonial people.
The similarities to Mr. Putin’s war are striking. The Kremlin defines Ukraine as an artificial state, whose Jewish president proves it cannot be real. After the elimination of a small elite, the thinking goes, the inchoate masses would happily accept Russian dominion. Today it is Russia that is denying Ukrainian food to the world, threatening famine in the global south.
Many hesitate to see today’s Russia as fascist because Stalin’s Soviet Union defined itself as antifascist. But that usage did not help to define what fascism is — and is worse than confusing today. With the help of American, British and other allies, the Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany and its allies in 1945. Its opposition to fascism, however, was inconsistent.
Before Hitler’s rise to power in 1933, the Soviets treated fascists as just one more form of capitalist enemy. Communist parties in Europe were to treat all other parties as the enemy. This policy actually contributed to Hitler’s ascent: Though they outnumbered the Nazis, German communists and socialists could not cooperate. After that fiasco, Stalin adjusted his policy, demanding that European communist parties form coalitions to block fascists.
That didn’t last long. In 1939, the Soviet Union joined Nazi Germany as a de facto ally, and the two powers invaded Poland together. Nazi speeches were reprinted in the Soviet press and Nazi officers admired Soviet efficiency in mass deportations. But Russians today do not speak of this fact, since memory laws make it a crime to do so. World War II is an element of Mr. Putin’s historical myth of Russian innocence and lost greatness — Russia must enjoy a monopoly on victimhood and on victory. The basic fact that Stalin enabled World War II by allying with Hitler must be unsayable and unthinkable.
Stalin’s flexibility about fascism is the key to understanding Russia today. Under Stalin, fascism was first indifferent, then it was bad, then it was fine until — when Hitler betrayed Stalin and Germany invaded the Soviet Union — it was bad again. But no one ever defined what it meant. It was a box into which anything could be put. Communists were purged as fascists in show trials. During the Cold War, the Americans and the British became the fascists. And “anti-fascism” did not prevent Stalin from targeting Jews in his last purge, nor his successors from conflating Israel with Nazi Germany.
Soviet anti-fascism, in other words, was a politics of us and them. That is no answer to fascism. After all, fascist politics begins, as the Nazi thinker Carl Schmitt said, from the definition of an enemy. Because Soviet anti-fascism just meant defining an enemy, it offered fascism a backdoor through which to return to Russia.
In the Russia of the 21st century, “anti-fascism” simply became the right of a Russian leader to define national enemies. Actual Russian fascists, such as Aleksandr Dugin and Aleksandr Prokhanov, were given time in mass media. And Mr. Putin himself has drawn on the work of the interwar Russian fascist Ivan Ilyin. For the president, a “fascist” or a “Nazi” is simply someone who opposes him or his plan to destroy Ukraine. Ukrainians are “Nazis” because they do not accept that they are Russians and resist.
A time traveler from the 1930s would have no difficulty identifying the Putin regime as fascist. The symbol Z, the rallies, the propaganda, the war as a cleansing act of violence and the death pits around Ukrainian towns make it all very plain. The war against Ukraine is not only a return to the traditional fascist battleground, but also a return to traditional fascist language and practice. Other people are there to be colonized. Russia is innocent because of its ancient past. The existence of Ukraine is an international conspiracy. War is the answer.
Because Mr. Putin speaks of fascists as the enemy, we might find it hard to grasp that he could in fact be fascist. But in Russia’s war on Ukraine, “Nazi” just means “subhuman enemy”— someone Russians can kill. Hate speech directed at Ukrainians makes it easier to murder them, as we see in Bucha, Mariupol and every part of Ukraine that has been under Russian occupation. Mass graves are not some accident of war, but an expected consequence of a fascist war of destruction.
Fascists calling other people “fascists” is fascism taken to its illogical extreme as a cult of unreason. It is a final point where hate speech inverts reality and propaganda is pure insistence. It is the apogee of will over thought. Calling others fascists while being a fascist is the essential Putinist practice. Jason Stanley, an American philosopher, calls it “undermining propaganda.” I have called it “schizofascism.” The Ukrainians have the most elegant formulation. They call it “ruscism.”
We understand more about fascism than we did in the 1930s. We now know where it led. We should recognize fascism, because then we know what we are dealing with. But to recognize it is not to undo it. Fascism is not a debating position, but a cult of will that emanates fiction. It is about the mystique of a man who heals the world with violence, and it will be sustained by propaganda right to the end. It can be undone only by demonstrations of the leader’s weakness. The fascist leader has to be defeated, which means that those who oppose fascism have to do what is necessary to defeat him. Only then do the myths come crashing down.
As in the 1930s, democracy is in retreat around the world and fascists have moved to make war on their neighbors. If Russia wins in Ukraine, it won’t be just the destruction of a democracy by force, though that is bad enough. It will be a demoralization for democracies everywhere. Even before the war, Russia’s friends — Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orban, Tucker Carlson — were the enemies of democracy. Fascist battlefield victories would confirm that might makes right, that reason is for the losers, that democracies must fail.
Had Ukraine not resisted, this would have been a dark spring for democrats around the world. If Ukraine does not win, we can expect decades of darkness.
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Just a thought on breaking up Ukraine and allowing Russia to have some, ceding territory to Russia. Next is moldova, do not forget Georgia btw, 2008.
Putin IS a Stalinist example of megalomania, complete with paranoid leanings. Stalin executed many of his officer corp along with anyone he thought was against him. Mad as a box of frogs. Who has Putin had the Russian state kill? Oh nobody important?
Facism? Sorry mate but call it what it is, a thing the PRC call "Cult of personality" whenever they want to end opposition. Take a look at treatment of the Uigar people for a start. The long arm of the PRC communist party is nearby.
Until folk face down these oppressive cultures we will face more war. How on earth can we allow a few individuals to put millions into the situation where they can afford food or heat but not both? We have this situation now in parts of the UK so what is it like in poorer nations? What a state to be in.
The UN have the power to act but will not, are they afraid? They acted without every member state say so when South Korea was invaded by the North so why not now? A rolling no fire zone spreading eastwards until it reaches the Russian border by UN forces. A no fly zone by either party controlled by UN aircraft and systems.
Declaration of Principles
The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice.
The language is not Narn or Human or Centauri
or Gaim or Minbari.It speaks in the language of hope. It speaks in
the language of trust.
It speaks in the language of strength, and
the language of compassion.
It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul.
But always it is the same voice.It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us.
And the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born.
It is the small, still voice that says we are One.No matter the blood, no matter the skin,
No matter the world, no matter the star,
We are One.
No matter the pain, no matter the darkness,
No matter the loss, no matter the fear.
We are One.Here, gathered together in common cause
We agree to recognize this singular truth and this singular rule:
That we must be kind to one another.Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us,
And each voice lost diminishes us.
We are the voice of the universe, the soul of creation,
The fire that will light the way to a better future. -
It appears the Russian Federation Council has suspended all email and online contact forms which is a shame. trying to up my communications a fair bit.
If I find anything I will let you know.
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I posted the B5 declaration to the Duma. Very funny guys but not funny. Pc does not know which way is up. Talk to you later perhaps.
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@rv1974 said:
@srx said:
I suggest to watch this movie first. If your gouverment let you.
Let me guess.. Western elites (Rothschilds) set up color neo-nazi revolution in Ukraine in order to take away from great russia it's sovereign right to rape, execute and burn to ashes its neighbors.
Exactly like they stole this right from the people of great serbia back in 1999.
Hope this RTLM MF Stone will end his days hiding somewhere in Nicaragua jungles.Thank you for kind words. Democracy shines from you.
You have no knowledge of this subject, but you have a lot of courage to say it out loud. Keep dreaming ... Watch TV. Listen to Biden and your new press secretary. I can't wake you up because you don't want to. It is vary comfortable in the Matrix. You will wake up in the years to come. The balloon you lived in will soon burst. No more NATO hegemony of the dollar. No more blue pills. It will be painfull, but healthy in the long term. Of course, Putin will be to blame for everything. And Chinese. -
The big picture of Changing World Order. What is behind the reality show. Very informative. Not an Idiocracy black and white kind of.
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Why do you think this has anything to do with the Ukraine and the PRC wanting to be top dog in the international kennel?
The PRC just want to make the world a communist one which they believe they should run.
Russia knew they were on a downward spiral and have been playing to the PRC song book.
The PRC are getting into just about every part of the world you can point a stick at buying their way into nations, this will give them a base to influence and corrupt world trade to their plan.
Politics at work.
That video can be taken in more ways than one but SRX, you are tring (It seems to me) to use it as an excuse/driver for the current situation. Where in the video does it address the very hard and real fact that nations reluctant to pay their way within NATO, are suddenly spending MORE than the agreed two percent of GDP?
The Ockers have gone from being against nuclear power and barely being able to crew six Collins class diesel/electric submarines to buying between eight and twelve nuclear boats which will be bigger, more expensive to run and require a costly infrastructure. What could make them even consider that?
Take a look at the south China sea where fishing boats of nations other than the PRC are being fired on and rammed to get the message across that the PRC are in charge. Take a look at the internal strife within the PRC, a minority going through enforced re education in internment camps. People are being forced into facilities where anyone Covid positive is, I know, that word again, interred.
You can take statistics and habit any way you like to make all kinds of argument if you like but, when you do this you are throwing logic away and relying on the opinion of a person wanting their argument above others. Broken record put on a pedestal. It is STILL a broken record. One silky word followed by a thousand others, is not logic, it is a tragedy. Following this theory we in europe would all be speaking German and hailing the eternal reich. What happened at Tianamin square?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rebellions_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China
I know, you will say I am pro the USA and the eu and the current order. Not so. I would like to see the larger nations combine to protect the smaller nations, remove dictators because these are the real existential threats to our kind on this planet. To remove greed from the equation and start fixing the planet. We are not the only species which relies on it for life. We can make a difference while treating everyone with dignity.
Bowing to dictators does none of these things, it just encourages those who wish to be dictators. While we think of a long term plan as being five years, the PRC will continue to think in fifty or one hundred year blocks. Suddenly a long term plan looks different, does it not?
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" I would like to see the larger nations combine to protect the smaller nations..."
That's already happening, my friend. Most of the world is protected from the biggest bully - NATO , with the leading dictator-United States. The empire of lies is coming to an end.
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@srx
I predict if orcs from your brother Mordor would drop a nuke on St.Sofia cathedral in Kyiv in 5 minuted you'd post some shitty RT trash about "Yankees were first in Hiroshima" wouldn't you? -
@srx, you have that backwards.
In which country do you get politicians murdered for opposing the wishes of the King, pardon me, president?
Which country has sent it's agents into sovereign nations to murder those it just does not like? Just to remind you, Polonium is something that kills randomly and the the bastards left that in a public place.
Which country held a large part of europe under an iron fist, controling those nations with secret police and murdering citizens for opposing them? You want to live in a non communist nation? Off to the Gulag with you.
Which nation in the Indo-Pacific region is brainwashing its own citizens because they are culturally Moslem?
Which nation sends warships to prevent peaceful fisherman from fishing in their own territorial waters?
Which Indo-Pacific distator murdered his own uncle and brother because he thought they MIGHT in the future be a focus to oppose his rule?
@srx, you have a very warped idea of who is bullying and murdering whom. Sorry mate but you make no sense and appear to be a one topic generalist, judging the actions of others on one yardstick. Do we need to evolve? You bet your 'arris we do. NATO is now irrelevent due to the challenges of the PRC, Russia and North Korea. We need an organisation that can act globally so that people do not need to travel the world to find the safety and peace they should have in their own back garden. We need to include PRC and Russia and North Korea so that this whole doctrine versus doctrine shtick can be consigned to history. It will NOT happen while Putin and Xi are around and what could replace the NK dictator? History has proven that in nations where the elections are rigged and there is NO effective choice, those holding power have no break to reign them in. Not that many years ago, escaping communist europe was a real problem and thousands died trying to do that. Or are you saying they went in for extreme sports and just shot themselves while trying to get over a barbed wire fence and get through minefields?
What happened in the former Yugoslavia was a travesty, something that should have shame tied to it as long as we still measure time. However, pointing the finger is a fools errand, far too many people with blood on their hands to get the right folk and with lies and time/ Well that just muddies the water further.
Mate, we are ALL sharing the same air and water and while I hold my 'Trekkie' belief's tightly, I am still very much without evidence that humanity can climb out of this hole. I BELIEVE that we will get there some day. I just wish I could be there to see it. Debate is healthy and we can all do with differing views, belief should always be tempered in the fire of debate but, currently, you forget or ignore too much and I cannot understand why? I wish you peace brother, you have the right to your views, opinions but please try to temper those with the facts.
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When so much rubbish happens in the Russian government, it is vital to remember the Russian people are good or bad as we find them, like in any nation on the earth.
What a move for decency is that in the link? More of that and we would not be in the situation we are in. For the sake of a few people with power.
Stay well folks, you and yours.
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@mike amos said:
When so much rubbish happens in the Russian government, it is vital to remember the Russian people are good or bad as we find them, like in any nation on the earth.
What a move for decency is that in the link? More of that and we would not be in the situation we are in. For the sake of a few people with power.
Stay well folks, you and yours.
Hi Mike, I agree totally.
My best friend is Russian and living in Moscow. We speak daily. He is a very smart guy and has moved to gain Citizenship in another Country.
He says there is a direct relationship between how educated, intelligent a Russian is. bears on
a Russian's opinion on the WAR. He said that the move out of Russia by the enlightened is so significant that he thinks it has Darwinian consequences for the IQ of the Future Russian population. I thought that was interesting, and I think he is correct -
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@mike amos said:
@srx, you have that backwards.
In which country do you get politicians murdered for opposing the wishes of the King, pardon me, president?
You know a lot. What is your source? CNN?
In which country do you get president murder for opposing the wishes of war machine?Which country has sent it's agents into sovereign nations to murder those it just does not like? Just to remind you, Polonium is something that kills randomly and the the bastards left that in a public place.
No, no. It is BBC!
Which country held a large part of europe under an iron fist, controling those nations with secret police and murdering citizens for opposing them? You want to live in a non communist nation? Off to the Gulag with you.
Russia is not a communist country any more. Just to remind you.
Which nation in the Indo-Pacific region is brainwashing its own citizens because they are culturally Moslem?
I did not whatch that show.
Which nation sends warships to prevent peaceful fisherman from fishing in their own territorial waters?
I see you really enjoy watching brainwashing TV channels
Which Indo-Pacific distator murdered his own uncle and brother because he thought they MIGHT in the future be a focus to oppose his rule?
I dont know. Did not watch that blockbuster. Whas it Marvel? Why is that important now?
@srx, you have a very warped idea of who is bullying and murdering whom.
I have no idea. I know, because I was, my contry was bombed and ruined by NATO. Was your country bombed by Russian maybe? Movies do not count!
Sorry mate but you make no sense and appear to be a one topic generalist, judging the actions of others on one yardstick. Do we need to evolve? You bet your 'arris we do. NATO is now irrelevent due to the challenges of the PRC, Russia and North Korea. We need an organisation that can act globally so that people do not need to travel the world to find the safety and peace they should have in their own back garden.
You just need to let others print their own money...HM, But that would break your own economy... So better do not let... Muammar al-Qaddafi tried it... So, NATO destroied him and his country. With PRC, it is not so easy
We need to include PRC and Russia and North Korea so that this whole doctrine versus doctrine shtick can be consigned to history. It will NOT happen while Putin and Xi are around and what could replace the NK dictator?
So you have right to take over other nations presidents, right? That for sure is what have to be changed! For start, in your mind. Live And Let Die
History has proven that in nations where the elections are rigged and there is NO effective choice, those holding power have no break to reign them in. Not that many years ago, escaping communist europe was a real problem and thousands died trying to do that. Or are you saying they went in for extreme sports and just shot themselves while trying to get over a barbed wire fence and get through minefields?
Live and let die man. Take care of your own president.He fell from the bike.
What happened in the former Yugoslavia was a travesty, something that should have shame tied to it as long as we still measure time. However, pointing the finger is a fools errand, far too many people with blood on their hands to get the right folk and with lies and time/ Well that just muddies the water further.
What happened was that NATO, USA broke the International low and bombed Yugoslavia. From there on there is no international low anymore. That was the beggining of the end of an Empire. Did you know that they also bombed the ambassy of PRC in Belgrade killing the staff working there?
Mate, we are ALL sharing the same air and water and while I hold my 'Trekkie' belief's tightly, I am still very much without evidence that humanity can climb out of this hole. I BELIEVE that we will get there some day. I just wish I could be there to see it. Debate is healthy and we can all do with differing views, belief should always be tempered in the fire of debate but, currently, you forget or ignore too much and I cannot understand why? I wish you peace brother, you have the right to your views, opinions but please try to temper those with the facts.
I gave you facts from my own expiriance. You are giving me CNN news man. I wish you to wake up! TV shows you are watching are 90% lies. Watch movie "Network", almost 50 years old
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Important speech.
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