What is happening in the USA?
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Hi Guys,
I've been following the ins and out of the US Presidential Election and am at a loss when it comes to figuring out what is actually going to happen. I think there maybe a lesson to be learned from the Irish electorate.
Back in 2002 the Irish Government trialed e-voting in three constituencies. The then Government purchased e-voting machines for the total country at a cost of €51,000,000.
However, the electorate objected as it didn't trust the system and the e-voting system was shelved. The machines were put into storage at an annual cost of €800,000! They were eventually sold off as scrape for an undisclosed sum.
Our leader at the time, Bertie Ahern, expressed the view that with some modifications to protect the security of the system it could still be implemented. “Otherwise, this country will move into the 21st century being a laughing stock with our stupid old pencils,” he added.
BTW, this view was from a man that claimed not to have a bank account and kept his money in a shoe box!I for one will never agree to e-voting and am happy with my 'stupid old pencil' (biro in my case as pencil ticks can be changed easily). I also enjoy the drama of the manual counts that take a few days and up to a week for some constituencies. It's good television.
Is it time for the USA to go back to the 'stupid old pencil'?
Mike
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Hi MIke,
Elections and votes can be manipulated
Particularly problematic are security risks, such as cyber attacks, vote trading and other manipulations. Infecting the electorate's computers with viruses, for example, it would be possible to change the vote. The ability to manipulate votes or elections - by criminals, foreign intelligence or corporations - is the end of democracy. -
Those who wish to will always find a method to attack the system and defraud the electorate. Unless you actually have every single voter in front of you with retinal and other scans/ can know for a fact intimidation is not being practiced there will always be a little doubt.
No country will ever have a completely clean record either. We had elections here a few years ago where women in the community involved had their vote stolen by men who voted labour according to instructions but this only got discovered by good fortune. Could and probably had been going on for years.
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I voted with a pen like every year recently. Before that, we voted with a hole puncher.Nothing went wrong. There is no evidence of fraud.
You must have not been following too closely, Mike.
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@pbacot said:
I voted with a pen like every year recently. Before that, we voted with a hole puncher.Nothing went wrong. There is no evidence of fraud.
You must have not been following too closely, Mike.
Hi pbacot,
As regards CA, was it not a forgone that it would be a Dem result. However there was and article in the LA Times that raised a few eyebrows, 'Nearly 84,000 duplicate voter records found in audit of California’s ‘motor voter’ system'
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-09/duplicate-voter-records-audit-california-motor-voter-systemI had been looking at the results coming in from the so called 'swing states' and was shocked at what was coming to light. Some of the security video evidence was very frightening. Particularly the 'after hours' activity that took place with no watchers.
I think this whole thing is a poor reflection on how elections should be run and more so when it appears to be happening in the USA.
Mike
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There has been no evidence of voter fraud and there have been many investigations.
That's all I'm going to say. To not hurt feelings.
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@pbacot said:
There has been no evidence of voter fraud and there have been many investigations.
That's all I'm going to say. To not hurt feelings.
Well darn. Didn't know we had a TV newscaster online. Welcome.
- Please refer me to the "many investigations". I don't remember any from, the local police or state government, and certainly none done by the FBI.
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@mike lucey said:
I had been looking at the results coming in from the so called 'swing states' and was shocked at what was coming to light. Some of the security video evidence was very frightening. Particularly the 'after hours' activity that took place with no watchers.
Mike
The 90 second video has already been refuted and debunked by Republican officials.
Reports:
No 'mystery ballots' hidden under table in Fulton County, Georgia investigator swears in affidavit
Video:
Furthermore, even today:
Federal appeals court turns down Donald Trump push to overturn election results in Wisconsin
The decision was written by a Trump appointed judge. This brings Trump's court appeal at 1 and 59 with even the Supreme Court having decided not to hear the Texas lawsuit.
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Fair enough Gus. I viewed/listened to the links you posted. Just a couple of observations,
a. So the count watchers were not asked to leave. Seemingly they were told the counting was over for the day, so I imagine they just headed off home thinking that there was no point in staying. That makes perfect sense.
b. However counting did actually continue until the early hours of the morning with no count watchers present. That looks very suspicious to me.
c. As regards the explanation about the cases under the sheet covered wheel-in table. I saw an early part to the security video showing two women wheeling in the table, presumably with the cases hidden in the table as at no time was there further security video showing cases being positioned under the table.
I think to any neutral/open minded person this looks at the very least, suspicious. Only for the building security cameras this suspicious activity would not have come to light.
Mike
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Mike
Here is my take. Not a very promising outlook.
Here is a competing view of the Georgia voting fraud. Watch the video it shows their take on what was happening. Also, during the night of the election, newscasts were surprised by the number and amount of changes in the vote totals.
As you watch this remember, it has been alleged, that the voting machine error rate had been changed to 68%.
“In an “Antrim Michigan Forensics Report” dated Dec. 13, the personnel of Allied Security Operations Group — a team of defense, military, Secret Service and intelligence professionals, led in part by an academic from Harvard with expertise in business and technology — found this: the Dominion Voting System in place in Antrim County, Michigan, for the 2020 election hardly passed the smell test. It recorded a 68% error rate. Oops.” Note: there is no government agency involved in this, I wonder why.
Why is this important?
Here’s how: “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud,” the report stated.
And it is my personal belief, they changed the presidential votes on these ballots but not the congressional or Senate choices, because of the high volume they needed to change. This I believe is why there is a disparity between the presidential total and the congressional and Senate totals.
In the last couple of years, the behavior of the DOJ, FBI, and congress has led me and others to have no faith in any of our government institutions. This distrust is so bad, that some have told me if they watched from across the street a bank robbery, which is a federal crime, and the FBI came over to ask what they have seen, their response would be, “nothing”. A country will not survive if there is no trust.
In all honesty, we have gone crazy. I watched Seattle and Portland being burned down. The people doing this loudly proclaim, “burn it down, they have insurance”. Yes, they did, but the new cost is way more and is driving business from the downtown area. How could any city official stand back and watch business be robbed and burned down? Beyond me.
Now, the crux of the matter. It is hard to find the truth in print or TV. The TV’s are cluttered with opinion shows, that appear very similar to the newscast.
Do, I believe the previously summited video or this video. Hell, I can’t tell who is telling the truth. I do believe that there is a lot of unknowns, and a good honest investigation should be taken. Maybe, let Joe Bidden be president, but still do the investigation, even if it takes a couple of years, and send everyone that has participated in voting fraud to jail for a very long time. Lower profile participants will turn when they are facing jail time.
All I see in the future is chaos and I am hoping it does not come to an armed conflict. However, that may just be hope. To other personnel from other countries, just watch and learn.
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I agree with you Ken. It looks like a mess that has to be cleaned up otherwise the USA election system will not have present or future credibility and if that becomes the case, I dread to think what will happen.
I had actually listened to the Russel Ramsland (Co-Founder of the Allied Security Operations Group)interview by Simone Gao, Zooming In.
'Exclusive: Exam Indicates Georgia Tabulating Machine Sent Results to China'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqsC5vIeoGwRussel Ramsland seems extremely knowledgeable and very credible.
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