SketchUp 2019 release

jason_maranto · 9 Feb 2019, 13:20

Same story every release. I said ages ago that the problem isn't Trimble (or Google before them) --the problem is the top leadership of the actual SketchUp devs. If anybody is surprised by any of this you haven't been paying attention at all.

measuredmove · 9 Feb 2019, 17:00

I still love Sketchup-it’s a comfortable, predictable tool. I’ve stayed with SU8 for personal projects and use SU18 PRO at work and there isn’t a whole lot of difference between the 2. In a way a good thing but what the heck has Trimble done with the revenue from sales and upgrades over the past 10(?) years.
It seems like the amazing plugin development community (not in house) have kept SU relevant but all that has allowed the core program to be left as is for the most part-kind of like why buy the cow if you get the milk for free. (Sorry. couldn’t think of a better analogy at the moment)
Jason_Maranto above said that it is the same reaction to every new version release-and I often thought the same thing. But humans are ever hopeful(naive) and adapt to disappointment eventually. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if even half of peoples’ wishlist suggestions had been incorporated? Or a collaboration with the app developers to make major additions to the native SU tools. Ah well. I don't see that ever happening. Sketchup is not a well-loved dog at Trimble-it only gets thrown a bone every so often to stop it barking.
Cows and dogs.

klip53 · 9 Feb 2019, 17:39

My version of 2019 does not autosave, does make backups

pbacot · 9 Feb 2019, 21:00

@measuredmove said:

I still love Sketchup-.

Yep.

chippwalters · 10 Feb 2019, 00:49

For anyone interested: I replied to their reply of the ridiculous reason for not sharing their roadmap:

SketchUp in 2019: where great ideas get to work

Well, it has been quite a year (plus a little) here at SketchUp HQ, with tremendous amounts of coffee consumed and today we’re finally ready to spill what we’ve been working so hard to finish. There’s quite a lot to shar…

SketchUp Community (forums.sketchup.com)

kaas · 10 Feb 2019, 07:08

To me, It doesn't look like the message is listened to by the su-team (looking at the posts on the official forum). Web dev and different stuff Will keep taking much of the resources while the desktop pro wont get the fixes It really needs asap.
Maybe were just a minority. Would be very interesting to see a poll on peoples reaction on 2019 and trust in future developments for their needs.
I'm done ranting. Eyes open for alternatives while using 2019 this year.

Its sad many of the 'old' faces will move to different software. The ones that showed already in the early days Sketchup was a valid alternative to big cad. Gratefull for all your helpfull responses on the forums, posts on impressive modelling you did with early Sketchup versions, creators of impressive plugins and helpers to people with Ruby problems.

dedmin · 10 Feb 2019, 08:54

These are big, heartless corporations! There is no passion anymore, no craftsmanship! The suits are not identified with their products - they see reports, budgets, expenses, balances! Look around You - under the hood everything is the same - just different label and logo! Traditions are gone, people are just employees from 8 to 5 PM, most even don't know the final product! The founders are gone - and with them the soul of the creators!

rv1974 · 10 Feb 2019, 09:26

Hmm.. What are conditions for AutoSave file creation?
I haven't seen v2019 creates one

juju · 10 Feb 2019, 09:31

@rv1974 said:

Hmm.. What are conditions for AutoSave file creation?
I haven't seen v2019 creates one

I've seen the option to create backups and autosaves, you need to see if both boxes are ticked.

Generally autosaves will only happen if there was a change in the content of the file since the last save.

rv1974 · 10 Feb 2019, 10:40

Example.. I forced (via task manager) a file crash. On reopening v2019 asked whether I'd like to open an autosaved version which didpreserved latest changes (similarly to PS). But untill now I haven't seen a single Autosave file in the project folder.
Maybe v19 creates them in Temp?
@Juju: bot options are V-ed

klip53 · 10 Feb 2019, 15:58

SU2019 does not create a autosave-file anywhere.

solo · 10 Feb 2019, 16:25

@klip53 said:

SU2019 does not create a autosave-file anywhere.

I guess it helps with speed and stability, I always disable autosave anyway, got into a habit of saving before running any plugins.

regnar · 10 Feb 2019, 18:39

Can’t help but suspect the overhaul of the UI & wanted features will come, but will only be introduced after the subscription model is in full effect.

Seeing where SketchUp Classic pricing is located on there web page, like Autodesk, I think the permanent license will eventually be phased out.

rv1974 · 10 Feb 2019, 19:18

@solo said:

.. I always disable autosave anyway, got into a habit of saving before running any plugins.

The only problem with this is that due to 'richness' of native tool set, SU modeling is almost non-stop plugin usage

numerobis · 10 Feb 2019, 22:06

"SketchUp in 2019: where great ideas get to work"

( https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-in-2019-where-great-ideas-get-to-work )

Pixero · 11 Feb 2019, 11:28

I have a personal pro licens with maintenance that ends in April.
If I decide not to continue the maintenance what will it cost me if I do decide to upgrade in a year?
Also, will bug fixes be downloadable still?

kaas · 11 Feb 2019, 11:44

In the Netherlands my reseller has the following info on their website:

continue the maintenance (while license is still valid): 110,-
upgrade after license has expired less than 1 year: 165,-
upgrade after license has expired less than 3 years: 220,-
It all depends of course how long they will keep the classic license.

I expect bug fixes will only be downloadable if you're maintenance is still valid.

Pixero · 11 Feb 2019, 12:07

Thanks, but isn't the latest install always available in the download page?
Is the license somehow crippled to not work with installs after maintainence expired?

numerobis · 11 Feb 2019, 12:16

1 year +55€ / +$60 (= 165€ / $180)
2-3 years +110€ / +$120 (=220€ / $240)

https://www.sketchup3d.de/bestellung/
https://help.sketchup.com/en/maintenance-and-support-policy#reinstatement-fees

As far as i know you can always install the latest point release (same serial). But maybe someone can clarify this.

Derek Edison · 11 Feb 2019, 13:08

@kaas said:

It all depends of course how long they will keep the classic license.

I would give it 2 years based on what I'm seeing compared to what happened with Autodesk. This seems to be playing out closer to that than Adobe. If you didn't go through the Adobe & Autodesk subscription transitions this is the basic playbook:

Decide to push your customer base to a subscription model to increase and guarantee revenue.
Bundle your "flagship" product with other low selling or low cost apps/ services to increase perceived value.
Price your new subscription offering at half the perpetual license cost to offer easy entry but higher returning revenues past 3-4 years ownership vs. perpetual licensing.
Convert software development to a rolling release model. No need for major updates unless there is a disruptive competitor in the market.
Market your perpetual license customers to get them to switch over to subscription with "special one-time" offers to convert.
Make owning perpetual licenses progressively more expensive/difficult and keep any substantial new features as subscription only. Do not reveal any future plans for perpetual licenses. Rely on FUD to move them over.
After about two years or so cancel perpetual licenses to force the remaining hold-outs to subscription. Grandfather special subscription rates on on former perpetual licenses and then increase costs until there is no difference anymore.

Adobe is done.
Autodesk is on step 7.
Trimble is on step 4. Step 5 has already been mentioned over on the official form as a "customer loyalty" program.