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  • M Offline
    medeek
    last edited by 6 Feb 2019, 03:39

    The updated toolbar:

    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su_menu_active.jpg

    I will leave it up to inquiring minds to figure out what all these icons mean. 😄

    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
    Medeek Engineering Inc
    design.medeek.com

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      medeek
      last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 18:18

      The low voltage module is working pretty good now. I just need to wrap up the 2D symbols and then we will see if I can put together a few typical load centers, and then its out to the public for some BETA testing.

      A 2-gang, 12 port low voltage box is probably your worst case scenario:

      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su16_800.jpg

      Each port can be assigned one of the following:

      • CAT6
      • CAT5e
      • COAX
      • PHONE (RJ11)
      • RCA (Audio/Video, gold plated)
      • BLANK (Plastic Insert)

      Additionally each port has its own unique material/color which by default is "White". The faceplate can also be assigned a unique material/color.

      Similar to other outlets the advanced options can be enabled which allows for vertical or horizontal mounting.

      The number of possible QuickPorts is limited to the following:

      1-Gang: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6
      2-Gang: 8, 12

      There are additional 2-Gang QuickPort wall plates that I have not added. I will only add these if requested, since they are already covered by the 1-Gang option.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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        medeek
        last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 22:58

        Various combinations of QuickPorts yields a number of possible 2D symbols:

        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su17_800.jpg

        I've tried to stay with conventional symbols as much as possible. Please let me know what you think on this.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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        • M Offline
          medeek
          last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 06:26

          Tomorrow I will finish modeling up some typical load centers (breaker boxes) like the one below (200 Amp, 40 Spaces):

          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su18_800.jpg

          I'm not going to put any special logic into this module yet, just a simply positioning and selection. However at some point it would be really cool to use the plugin to setup the various breakers and identify circuits as well as assign specific elements to a circuit.

          For now three sizes of breaker components are provided and it is up to the user to manually configure their panel if they so choose to do so, otherwise is is more representational than anything else.

          When it comes to setting the vertical height of the load center what is the method used to measure from the floor? Center, Top or Bottom of the panel?

          I will provide some common panel sizes (spaces): 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, and 60.

          My breakers are based on the SquareD QO series as are my load centers however they are considerably simplified to maintain a low poly count.

          Also for now I am only going to provide flush mount and not surface mount however I will probably enable both in the future.

          View model here:

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          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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            medeek
            last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 16:40

            Various load center sizes, view model here:

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            All load centers are 200 Amp except for the 24 space unit which would be rated for 100 or 125 Amp.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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              medeek
              last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 22:56

              The inside of these boxes and the breakers are very simple and low poly. The idea is mostly to convey the number and location of breakers and overall dimensions:

              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su19_800.jpg

              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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                medeek
                last edited by 9 Feb 2019, 02:51

                In the parameters for the load centers I identified the following options:

                1.) Style: Flush Mount, Surface Mount
                2.) Indoor/Outdoor: Indoor, Outdoor
                3.) Height: Distance from floor to bottom of box (in./mm)
                4.) Breaker No.: 6, 8, 12, 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, 60
                5.) Amperage: 100, 200
                6.) Main Lug: Main Breaker, Main Lug
                7.) Adv. Options: None Currently

                There is no material/color assignment.

                I've created a 6 and 8 breaker box (main lugs only). I will need to add in additional boxes that only have main lugs and not a main breaker for the other sizes, but that is work for another day.

                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                  juju
                  last edited by 9 Feb 2019, 10:44

                  Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.

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                    medeek
                    last edited by 9 Feb 2019, 17:39

                    @juju said:

                    Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.

                    In the global settings I will have a parameter that allows one to switch to the electrical standard of their choice. Right now the only option is NEMA:

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                    National Electrical Manufacturers Association - Wikipedia

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                    Perhaps the next standard that should be added is the British standards and its derivatives (BS 545, BS 1363, BS 4573):

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#BS_546_and_related_types_(Type_D_and_M

                    The South African standard is also of some interest:

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                    SANS 164 - Wikipedia

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                    Who is the predominant manufacturer of outlets, switches and wallplates in South Africa?

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                      juju
                      last edited by 9 Feb 2019, 19:25

                      @medeek said:

                      The South African standard is also of some interest:

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                      SANS 164 - Wikipedia

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                      Who is the predominant manufacturer of outlets, switches and wallplates in South Africa?

                      in alphabetical order:
                      Clipsal
                      Crabtree
                      Legrand
                      Veti

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                      • M Offline
                        medeek
                        last edited by 10 Feb 2019, 20:15

                        First look a the output of the load center or service panel module:

                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su20_800.jpg

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                          medeek
                          last edited by 11 Feb 2019, 00:17

                          For wall mounted light fixtures what is the most common type of electrical box used?

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                            medeek
                            last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 07:12

                            Perusing the selection of electrical outlets and boxes at my local Ace Hardware this morning it became painfully obvious that I should have added the option for "amperage" to the outlet parameters.

                            Standard and Decora outlets now are available in 15A or 20A:

                            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su21_800.jpg

                            I've never actually seen this type of outlet (NEMA 5-20R) installed in any residence I've ever lived at or in any new construction I've worked on but I'm sure it has its place.

                            Currently the 240V outlets are limited to only 30A and 50A outlets. At some point I may add in NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R if there is call for it.

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              medeek
                              last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 07:48

                              Just a reminder to everyone that is following the development of this plugin:

                              This plugin is an add-on plugin/extension. In other words it currently only installs switches, outlets, low voltage outlets and panels into the walls that are created by the Medeek Wall extension.

                              At some point I may attempt to extend it to allow for operation with any solid walls but for now it is limited to working with the geometry created by the mdkBIM suite. There are a number of technical issues/reasons for this which I will not delve into at this time.

                              Since it is not a stand alone plugin and is dependent (currently only on the Medeek Wall extension) I will probably not charge as much for it if it were a standalone extension. As such I am thinking about $20.00 USD for a permanent license with a $10.00 USD renewal for upgrades.

                              Eventually it will be packaged with the mdkMEP suite but for now it is a standalone purchase and separate from the mdkBIM suite.

                              It will eventually include its own estimating module which again is separate from the Medeek Estimator (Wall Plugin). I really haven't gotten that far yet but I will solicit feedback from the user base of this plugin once I release the BETA and determine how we want to put that together.

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                medeek
                                last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 10:47

                                Electrical boxes for light fixtures:

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                                I'll start with the simple nail mounted 3/0 and 4/0 boxes (Carlon B518 and B520). I should also add the hanger bar variants as well but I'll need to purchase a few more samples from the local hardware store first so that I can create semi-decent models.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                  juju
                                  last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 11:42

                                  while it is an incentive to your current userbase, it is rather limiting in the broader sense as I only know of 1x other extension for electrical layouts currently, thus quite a potentially large market for a standalone version

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                                    medeek
                                    last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 11:58

                                    @juju said:

                                    while it is an incentive to your current userbase, it is rather limiting in the broader sense as I only know of 1x other extension for electrical layouts currently, thus quite a potentially large market for a standalone version

                                    I am tending to agree with your assessment. I will see what I can do.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                      medeek
                                      last edited by 13 Feb 2019, 07:24

                                      First look at the output of the Light Fixture Module:

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su24_800.jpg

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su22_800.jpg

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su23_800.jpg

                                      The plugin allows you to drop your own light fixtures into the library sub-folder so you can have as many custom light fixtures as you like (and I don't need to spend anymore time modeling things up).

                                      The fancy ext. wall lantern shown was simply downloaded from the warehouse, minor edit to make sure the origin of the file was in the correct place and then dropped into the light_fixture sub-folder. I will not be including this fixture in the distribution simply due to its size (1.2 Mb). However I will include some basic lampholders like the Leviton 49875 shown.

                                      Another thing to note, since the light fixtures are custom I will not be attempting to apply any material or color to them. For that reason there is no need to explode the component into a unique group.

                                      I will add some additional simple light fixtures and junction boxes as time allows or as requests are made.

                                      Currently the light fixture tool is limited to wall mounted fixtures. I am still contemplating how best to deal with ceiling mounted fixtures and what type of system/organization to employ.

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                        medeek
                                        last edited by 14 Feb 2019, 10:09

                                        Pulling the global settings together:

                                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su25_800.jpg

                                        Outlets tab:

                                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/electrical_su26_800.jpg

                                        The estimating piece will be after I release the BETA.

                                        I'm almost ready to put this new plugin out there but I'm waffling on whether to spend some additional time on the draw tool and see if I can't make the plugin work with any (wall) geometry rather than just limiting it to an add on for the Medeek Wall plugin.

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                          juju
                                          last edited by 14 Feb 2019, 13:17

                                          @medeek said:

                                          I'm almost ready to put this new plugin out there but I'm waffling on whether to spend some additional time on the draw tool and see if I can't make the plugin work with any (wall) geometry rather than just limiting it to an add on for the Medeek Wall plugin.

                                          +1 for this

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