Foundation Plugin

medeek · 5 Jun 2017, 06:57

Added "FPSF" option to polygon slab-on-grade foundations:

juju · 5 Jun 2017, 07:05

Can you do that with the option of putting it (as a vertical component only) on the inside of the foundation wall? It may be of use in climates that isn't as cold and you have the option of putting it either inside or outside of the foundation plinth wall.

medeek · 5 Jun 2017, 14:23

@juju said:

Can you do that with the option of putting it (as a vertical component only) on the inside of the foundation wall? It may be of use in climates that isn't as cold and you have the option of putting it either inside or outside of the foundation plinth wall.

I can add another option to insulate the vertical interior face of the stemwall/foundation wall.

medeek · 5 Jun 2017, 18:31

Working through the issues of the polygon FPSF option has helped me understand better how to deal with adjacent walls in particular non-orthogonal walls and how best to calculate the geometry at their intersections.

This has me primed for further development of the wall plugin, so even though this feature may not have much use for most of the client base it still have served a major purpose in educating me.

With the tool function I am able to create lines to show preview geometry however I am wondering if there is a way to show a dimension (beyond showing the numerical value at the bottom of the SketchUp window).

medeek · 5 Jun 2017, 21:05

An octagon slab on grade (FPSF). Note that the angle of the corners is 225 degrees, any less and the corner treatment would go away.

Clarification on the angles:

Any corner with an inside angle greater than 135 degrees will not receive corner treatment.

medeek · 5 Jun 2017, 23:11

I've had some discussion with other SketchUp users about developing the plugin for commercial use. Should I require that the user have PRO installed? A number of registered users of the plugin do not use it for commercial use, I would rather keep it open to all users but it would be easier to develop within PRO with its Boolean functions.

medeek · 6 Jun 2017, 05:09

Added "FPSF" option to polygon stemwall foundations.

Now I've thoroughly beaten the FPSF option to death, the only thing I might add in later is a global setting to change the insulation color to pink, blue or white.

juju · 6 Jun 2017, 06:35

@medeek said:

I've had some discussion with other SketchUp users about developing the plugin for commercial use. Should I require that the user have PRO installed? A number of registered users of the plugin do not use it for commercial use, I would rather keep it open to all users but it would be easier to develop within PRO with its Boolean functions.

Unless the person using it is a registered professional (engineer, etc.) and the application is within the ambit of their qualifications / registrations and they are using it for a personally owned property I would argue that the use could be for commercial purposes, in my mind anyway.

Else the works created would need to be "signed off" by a professional, in which case the lines get blurred and the commercial application / gain with the use of the extension arises...

db11 · 6 Jun 2017, 14:03

@medeek said:

Now I've thoroughly beaten the FPSF option to death, the only thing I might add in later is a global setting to change the insulation color to pink, blue or white.

Is there an option for underslab insulation? What is the range of insulation thickness available?

medeek · 6 Jun 2017, 14:10

I guess I'm not done with the FPSF option just yet. Insulation thickness is open ended you can put in as thick as you like, some areas apparently install insulation upwards of 12".

How do you want the underslab insulation configured?

db11 · 6 Jun 2017, 15:27

In our climate, we use full underslab insulation (anywhere from 6-14") to thermally isolate the slab. In PassivHaus builds we float the house on a 12 - 14" EPS tray that totally eliminates thermal bridging through the envelope and conduction loss to the ground.

Inside perimeter insulation — 2 to 4' of EPS/XPS extending inward from the footing leaving the center area uninsulated — may be sufficient in milder climate zones, and was/(still is?) common for use under basement slabs. But here, the conduction heat loss through the slab renders any material savings moot after the first winter or two of heating bills.

I'll PM you a foundation drawing set for a recent build to give you an idea of our approach — not as an input for feature requests, as I realize that our approach would be considered way overboard by people unfamiliar with PH standards — but just for your interest.

And if you haven't had a chance, I recommend highly that you check out the Iso-Slab website linked in an earlier post. It derives from European slab insulation systems that have been available for years there, originally developed to meet the needs of a burgeoning PH market. It will give you an idea of where building is going, even if the NA construction industry is notoriously slow and resistant to adopting new methods / better materials / higher performance standards.

medeek · 6 Jun 2017, 18:33

The Passivhaus system is really something else. With your form profile what are the measurements that are variable? Is the slab always 8" deep on your typical builds?

db11 · 6 Jun 2017, 20:14

I should note that specific assemblies and methods — whether foundation / wall / roof etc — are not spec'd by the PH standard, rather their performance is. How you get there is up to you.

So the 8" monolithic slab isn't hard and fast, though it's what we've settled on for combined strength and simplicity: any increase in concrete costs is made up for by simpler tray forming and prep. It could also be done with a 10" grade beam and 6" slab. Seems to me that since you've already enabled grade beams in your regular foundations, then you could use that shape for the upper face(s) of the underslab insulation. (another example where the boolean solid tools would simplify things).

As to the other measurement variables:

EPS thickness (obviously) with underslab and edge thickness as independent variables.
The width of the upper portion of the EPS footing profile is dependant on the combined outboard cavity wall / sheathing so that the rainscreen / envelope terminate flush with the EPS (as shown in the section drawing I sent you), .
The height of the upper portion is simply the slab depth.
The front edge profile (chamfer) is just to provide a good integrated drainage plane and connection to the frost protection, so not critical. For first go-round it could be square to simplify things.
Frost protection is uniform 4' around the perimeter @ 4" thick, so maybe width and thickness of FP EPS should be independent variables as well?

I'll check with the principal of our firm to see if he's OK with me posting an anonymized version of the EPS tray drawings I PM'd you, so that others can follow/engage the discussion.

medeek · 6 Jun 2017, 21:01

Since I use the followme tool in the API, I can literally form any profile possible. What I need is a typical profile with a variable instead of a number for each critical dimension then I can incorporate it into the plugin. What should I call this kind of insulated slab? I don't want to use Passivhaus if it would violate your copyright protection. Or then again it may help you advertise and sell more houses using this type of foundation.

db11 · 6 Jun 2017, 21:35

Let me get back to you with a typical profile.

As for naming, Passivhaus / Passive House isn't our trademark, but rather that of the Passive House Institute (Passivhaus Institut in Germany, where it originated): http://www.passivehouse.com/index.html

I'll see if we can come up with a more generic but still descriptive name. We have simply used 'EPS Tray Foundation' as our descriptive term, so maybe that would work... if we can't find anything better.

medeek · 7 Jun 2017, 02:07

Is this type of construction generally rectangular or do you construct any shape or outline?

From a structural standpoint how do you deal with anchor bolts and even more importantly holdowns? The eight inches of concrete does not provide enough embedment depth for your typical holdown anchor bolts.

db11 · 8 Jun 2017, 18:06

I'll get to answering your questions later today, when I have some open time. In the meantime here are screenshots of the foundation / detail drawings (sans cartouche).

medeek · 8 Jun 2017, 20:48

With your EPS form profile I am wondering what the function of the foot is that overshoots the exterior wall. Wouldn't an L-shaped profile work just as well?

nujak66 · 10 Jun 2017, 03:02

@medeek said:

I've had some discussion with other SketchUp users about developing the plugin for commercial use. Should I require that the user have PRO installed? A number of registered users of the plugin do not use it for commercial use, I would rather keep it open to all users but it would be easier to develop within PRO with its Boolean functions.

I say if it furthers your development, then make it for the PRO version.

Garry K · 10 Jun 2017, 23:14

For what ever it is worth I believe I share this sentiment with Nathaniel. I want my plugins to work with Make and Pro.

However I do use a few Pro only features. What I do is disable them in the web dialog if Make is running. So I can manage one source code and not worry. The features that I disable are not show stoppers.