Microsoft Surface Book and Sketchup
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You've bumped resolution settings in windows down to 1920x1080?
3000x2000 caused a lot of issues with SU
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Has anyone any better suggestions for a portable sketchup ('16) machine? I'm buying just so I can do DC programming away from my desktop, needs to be presentable, smooth, responsive.... I'm willing to wait a short while if something better is coming out soon. Thanks
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And what happen when using http://my.sketchup.com/ ?
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Update:
Problems with Sketchup on the Surfacebook i7 with discreet GPU have been ongoing from point-snapping issues because of the screen resolution configuration through to the GPU not running with Sketchup even when set to under Nvidia control panel because an automatic Win10 update has stuffed everything up.
The things are certainly not all they're cracked up to be. At least on a less elegant HP/Lenovo/Acer you can actually access stuff to control. On the SurfaceBook Microsoft has tried to stop the user from fiddling with their configs and it is so annoying.
Example, you have to do a regedit just to get the thing to run at its available power settings: https://youtu.be/k-VWlincHO4
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More problems with the Surface Pro, this time opening/closing groups/components is extremely slow. Everything else in SU runs real fast and snappy but opening and closing groups and components is PAINFUL
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Ashscott, any thoughts on the newly released "Performance Base" version, and/or the release of SketchUp 2017 with the updates to the graphics engine? I'm curious how the combination of those two together would behave. I may end up getting one and returning it within the time period to do some first hand tests.
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I think 2017 is definately an improvement but there are still some display issues.
For example, if you add dimensions directly in Sketchup at a font size that looks reasonable on screen, when you print the font comes out so small you can hardly read it.
We also have to constantly turn plugins off too because they cause a loading error when it takes several seconds to open/close components. Turning certain extensions off resolves the issue for some time until it happens and then randomly turning off another extension temporarily fixes it.
My anecdotal experience is that Windows 10 with its bizarre update system that seems to mess with everything without asking is partially to blame as is the proprietary GPU as is the Hi DPI screen. All three have collided to make a system that is usable but frustratingly not as good as it could be.
The SU 2017 graphics updates (in my understanding) are to handle transparencies better, which they seem to do. I don't know anything about the "Performance Base" version but would say that it doesn't resolve the three issues I mention above.
My personal day to day workhorse is a near four year old HP DV6 on Windows 7 that seems to just work with SU seamlessly on 100mb+ models.
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I am watching this thread closely. I am on the verge of replace it my HP Elitebook 8730w moble workstation. It runs SU and Autodesk apps like a powerful desktop. Here is the rub. It's heavy, big and runs hot hot hot, and kills a battery in about 20 min.
I have looked at HP, Boxx, and Surfacebook. If I configure any of them to a specification I think will perform I get into the $4000.00 to $5000.00 area. OUCH.
I really want something small and light with ultimate power and good battery life. Maybe it's just not out there yet for a reasonable price. Please keep the information coming about your experiences.
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@ccaponigro said:
I have looked at HP, Boxx, and Surfacebook. If I configure any of them to a specification I think will perform I get into the $4000.00 to $5000.00 area. OUCH.
Yeah, if you're looking for mobile, that's a tough one. I can say Boxx makes insanely great computers, I have a Boxx desktop, and even three years on it's an unreal power-house. Like you said though, they're extremely pricey. Microsoft currently has their holiday return policy in effect until Jan 31st if I'm not mistaken, so I may just pick one up and test it thoroughly. If I do I'd be happy to post regular updates.
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Anyone already tested SketchUp with the new SurfaceBook & performance base?
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I have a surface pro and iam about to kill myself, so painful speed wise at times i wont to rip what little hair i have left straight out
OMG
I dont remember it being this slow at first but when i first started using the program i was just learning, so now my demands are getting more intense -
Do whatever you can to turn off Windows 10s rediculous updates (good luck with that) as they often return your machine to what I call "gutless" mode.
You can over-ride some of this with a basic registry edit as shown in this video: https://youtu.be/k-VWlincHO4
Doing so made a big difference for us. Still, everytime a Windows 10 update slips through we have to go through the process again to actually get the power we paid for
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I have the Surface Book with performance base, i7 top end yadda. When I set the nVidia control panel to force SU and Layout to used the dedicated gPu, I can open a SU model file successfully, but the model is invisible. A white drawing space. So frustrating to have to settle for the integrated gPu after this kind of cash outlay.
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I feel ya. It will take a lot of convincing to get us to pay for Microsoft hardware after this debacle.
Doing a basic regedit as shown in this video may make the GPU play a little nicer: https://youtu.be/k-VWlincHO4
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@AshScott, quick question for you after reading over this thread again. Are the video driver issues you mention present all the time, or only when you have an additional monitor plugged in? Just curious.
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Thought I would say in closing... I wound up bitting the bullet and bought a Boxx. Runs quite, cool and fast. So far so good.
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@ccaponigro said:
...bought a Boxx.
Notebook models in the new nVidia Max-Q design might be interesting here too, e.g.:
• Asus ROG GX501 Zephyrus
• Acer Predator Triton 700
• MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro -
Do any of you that have used the Surface Book with SketchUp have any updates since the last post? I am seriously considering getting a Surface Book i7, 16gb, 512 ssd with the performance base. I want to run SU 2017. Keep in mind I will be using this to mostly present models and make some adjustments on the fly. Most of my modeling will be on my desktop.
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