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    medeek
    last edited by 31 Jan 2016, 01:31

    Dutch Gable Rev. 3:

    Doubled up gable common rafters with the dutch ridge/ledger is sandwiched between them. Found a paper by Larry Haun, Mar. 1995 "Framing a Dutch Roof" that was published in Fine Homebuilding magazine, that describes a very similar method of framing.

    http://design.medeek.com/images/misc/DUTCH_GABLE1.jpg

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    Disregard the common rafter sizes they are undersized but look at the method of sandwiching the dutch ridge/ledger between the last common rafters. I would probably also install some blocking between the double gable common rafters. I'm also not showing all of the ceiling joists and bird blocking etc...

    If the roof gets large enough then one could go to a double ply dutch ridge, or even a deeper LVL member, assuming there is no internal support available from internal walls.

    I think I'm now ready to add the dutch gable roof into the plugin.

    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
    Medeek Engineering Inc
    design.medeek.com

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      pbacot
      last edited by 31 Jan 2016, 02:05

      That looks like a nice way to do it!

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        medeek
        last edited by 31 Jan 2016, 03:27

        There is more than one way to skin a cat with this stuff but if I'm going to put something out there I want it to conform as best as possible to current construction methods. Some of these details may be above and beyond what is required but this is the stuff that keeps me up a night.

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
        design.medeek.com

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          medeek
          last edited by 31 Jan 2016, 05:30

          I've also realized that for hip roofs I need an option to set the depth of the hip rafters since they are often larger members than the common or jack rafters.

          Here is the new icon for secondary roofs:

          http://design.medeek.com/calculator/sketchup/images/mdkplg_tool_icon24_7.png

          This category will contain the following items:

          • Gable Roof Minor
          • Hip Roof Minor
          • Dutch Gable Roof Minor
          • Gable Dormer
          • Hip Dormer
          • Shed Dormer

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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            medeek
            last edited by 2 Feb 2016, 09:24

            Version 1.2.8 - 02.02.2015

            • Added Shed Rafter Roof with Ledger (all advanced options enabled).
            • Added ceiling joist option for Shed Rafter Roofs.
            • New submenu item and toolbar icon added for secondary (minor) roofs.

            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su62_800.jpg

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            I used this option to create a monitor style roof line but it can also be used for porch roofs, carports etc... I still need to add a standard shed roof with and upper and lower birdsmouth cut.

            Also note that with both gable and shed roofs the ceiling joist option is available, with the option to raise them above the top plate. In this model the shed roof ceiling joists are raised 6 inches.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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              medeek
              last edited by 2 Feb 2016, 23:14

              I've created a listing in the SketchUcation PluginStore:

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              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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                pbacot
                last edited by 3 Feb 2016, 00:08

                Looks nice!

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                  medeek
                  last edited by 3 Feb 2016, 00:37

                  More "Fun with Roofs".

                  This roof was generated by first creating a hip roof primitive then deleting all but 3 components which were then copied and rotated into place for the lower roof hip corner. The shed roof /w ledger component was created with one primitive and then copied and rotated into place. Overall a fairly painless process now that I am somewhat familiar with navigating my way around SketchUp. The fascia required a couple of trims.

                  The pyramid at the top required no manual intervention. Approximately 10-15 minutes of work for a fairly substantial roof.

                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su63_800.jpg

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                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                    medeek
                    last edited by 4 Feb 2016, 04:02

                    Testing the real world application of the Medeek Truss Plugin. This model combines a double fink truss, raised heel fink truss, monopitch truss and shed roof with ledger. While creating the shed roof special attention to the birdsmouth cut was required to ensure that the fascia height of the rafters and trusses lined up. Also note the use of the raised heel type truss on the upper roof portion. Structural outlookers were specified for all gable overhangs.

                    5:12 pitch roofs with rafters and trusses 24" o/c. I did not apply a level cut to the rafter overhangs but that would probably be a given. Span of the double fink is 48 feet with 2x6 top and bottom chords.

                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su64_800.jpg

                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su65_800.jpg

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                    If anyone has some real world applications using the plugin that they are willing to share I would be very interested to see how it is being used and it would also give me some direction for further development and improvements.

                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                    design.medeek.com

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                      pilou
                      last edited by 4 Feb 2016, 10:11

                      What a plugin! 😎

                      Sorry for the diversion! 😉


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                        medeek
                        last edited by 4 Feb 2016, 17:33

                        I've ran into this structural question before, where you have a stairway next to an exterior wall. My first thought is to call out a balloon framed wall up to the 2nd story top plate(s) but then that makes the rim board and double top plate of the first story discontinuous. What is the preferred solution or how have you seen this done in similar circumstances.

                        Here is a quick mock up in SketchUp to better explain what the two options are:

                        http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/NAMATAME1.jpg

                        http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/NAMATAME2.jpg

                        You can also view and download the 3D SketchUp model here:

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                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                          juju
                          last edited by 5 Feb 2016, 11:42

                          Hi Nathaniel,

                          I noticed that Extension Warehouse has two links for your plugin, the one should be removed, not so?

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                            medeek
                            last edited by 5 Feb 2016, 16:35

                            For some reason there are two copies on Extension Warehouse, you're right. I'm looking into it.

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              medeek
                              last edited by 5 Feb 2016, 19:26

                              Example of a porch roof using the hip roof and shed roof primitives. I'm wondering if it might not be worthwhile to add in a feature to create this type of combination roof automatically. Shed Roof w/ ledger & hip ends.

                              http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/NAMATAME3.jpg

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                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                                pbacot
                                last edited by 5 Feb 2016, 23:10

                                Both shed and hip add-on roofs would be useful, porches and partial 2-story structures.

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                                  medeek
                                  last edited by 7 Feb 2016, 23:36

                                  http://design.medeek.com/support/trusspluginmanual/images/structural_outlookers.jpg

                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                                  design.medeek.com

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                                    medeek
                                    last edited by 8 Feb 2016, 08:00

                                    Started the manual as a MS Word document however that doesn't work so well for hyperlinks. Starting over with an html manual page:

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                                    Couple of pages up, only about 25 more to go...

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                      medeek
                                      last edited by 13 Feb 2016, 06:59

                                      Version 1.2.9 - 02.12.2015

                                      • Added Shed Rafter Roof (all advanced options enabled).
                                      • Added ceiling joist option for Shed Rafter Roofs.
                                      • Initial menu now defaults to last picked option of session for that sub-menu item.

                                      A typical application might be a clerestory roof with a upper shed roof and lower shed roof with a ledger board:

                                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su66_800.jpg

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                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                        medeek
                                        last edited by 14 Feb 2016, 14:20

                                        Version 1.3.0 - 02.14.2016

                                        • Added tail bearing truss type, configurations: (Fink).
                                        • Metric input enabled for tail bearing truss type.
                                        • Advanced options enabled for tail bearing truss type.

                                        http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/tailbearingtruss1.jpg

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                                        I have shown 3 configurations of the same roof to display the differences with non-structural vs. structural outlookers (horz. & vert.). I am not exactly sure how to treat the gable end truss for this truss type since I have never dealt with this type of truss before. Specifically, where structural outlookers are employed. Any sample outputs showing the gable end truss with a dropped top chord for a tail bearing truss would be very helpful.

                                        Theoretically, one could forego the gable end trusses altogether and just balloon frame up to the roof diaphragm but I would like to provide the option for gable end trusses if it is a typical method used in real construction of this type of roof.

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                                        design.medeek.com

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                                          medeek
                                          last edited by 14 Feb 2016, 23:55

                                          I am currently investigating the best method to construct the gable end wall and truss with a tail bearing truss. Show below are 3 different possible configurations:

                                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su67_800.jpg

                                          1.) Structural Outlookers (Vertical)

                                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su68_800.jpg

                                          2.) Non-Structural Outlookers (Horizontal)

                                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su69_800.jpg

                                          3.) Structural Outlookers (Horizontal)

                                          This is just one possible method of framing the gable end wall into the gable truss with a 2x4 outlooker. Option 3 shown above is somewhat of a question, not sure how that heel joint would come together.

                                          View the model here to analyze the different configurations:

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                                          Medeek Engineering Inc
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