30 x 42 paper size
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E size in U.S. is standard at 30"X42". D size is 24"x36". E size is a total pain in the field. D is much more manageable. These days I just use my iPad in the field.
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Oh I don't use it... unless, it's for some massive house that I would have to go 1/8" on... Because if there's anything contractors hate more than E size... it's 1/8 scale.
I always use D...
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I've resorted to 1/8" scale plans and then partial plans of 1/4" scale in some cases. It takes a lot of setup and checking.
Since I am doing almost all house plans lately. Maybe 1/4" scale D size should be the most house people need!
Same on the last hotel project I worked on. There we often saw half-sized prints being used on site, the sets having so many sheets. -
Cursor, the original poster is asking in regards to architecture, which in the US uses E as 36×48. And by saying you should always use standard sizes, that standard would of course be relevant to one's profession and location. But... You should always use standard sizes unless it's just something one off. Standards are the bread and butter of drafting and design. It keeps everyone on the same page so to speak.
I've always considered 36x48 to be standard because when printing off the roll you have 36inch wide paper rolls on the printer. This allows you to print D & E with ease by simply rotating your print job.
But, I wasn't going to argue with Nick... He's an architect and you don't argue with architects. I wondered why he and the poster were asking about an odd size. I've never seen 30x42 and thought that was the point of the whole conversation, that it was a custom size.
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I was being facetious... I have argued with many as well. And I have been fired because of it on at least one occasion.
I wasn't taking anyone's side...
And we don't know what you know, because you have not shared it in your profile or in this forum. The truth is we don't know you at all, You may well be a 12 year old having fun, but from your manner of speech I highly doubt it... Hopefully you'll rectify that by posting more often and sharing some of your knowledge with the rest of us.
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I didn't mean to rock anyone's boat.
I specifically suggested a couple of days ago that some introductory venue might be offered for new members of the forum to introduce themselves (although I joined in 2008, I have not at all been active), but I just got jokes as feed-back.
In short, I have worked in engineering and architectural circles since 1968. I'm NOT some 12 year old. Hell ... my grandson just turned 20 years old. As a matter of fact, my daughter's 40th birthday is exactly today!
Perhaps we could share more, later ... at some more appropriate place/time. This thread is about standardized paper formats, after all.
If you want to limit the standards, then at the very least recognize:
- E sized architectural format is 36"x48" (not 30"x42")
- E1 sized architectural format is 30"x42"
I will remind you that for 40+ years (as hinted in my previous post) Hercules Aerospace has/had assumed the 34"x44" format ... in pencil, in ink, and on mylar or vellum. I used all of those media ... using T-square & triangles, Hamilton mechanical rising drafting tables and coupled drafting arm solutions, etc.
Actually, the same 34"x44" E format was recognized by the very largest privately owned engineering company in the world — Fluor Engineers and Constructors (Irvine CA) — for whom I worked for three years. But hell, what did I know at the time (at the age of 22-25) about standardized media formats. What did Nick Sonder know at that time?
I can actually supply a photograph of me working at such a manual workstation (in 1975). Warning ... my hairline has receded some. I guess that doesn't matter since you don't have a clue what I look like now! LOL
Kind Regards
[ c ]
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Standards certainly very, don't they. I thought that to be a major point of mine.
Actually, while I have great respect for what Nick Sonder has offered (particularly in terms of SU/LU structure), his statement regarding paper standards seemed inaccurate.
I have argued with many an architect, over any number of issues (some are more informed than others ... like engineers, like auto mechanics, like ... whomever), and I won't hesitate in the future (especially when their statements are patently wrong). I recently spent no less than $5,600 on the advice of a licensed architect ... who admitted to me that she couldn't "visualize space in 3D." Yeah, my bad. So ... paper-size issues should be a minor issue. The facts are there. Don't take offense, and don't take arbitrary sides based on some professional preference. (You don't, afterall, have a clue about what I do, nor about how such might trump or lay shallow to Mr. Sonder's.
Truth is, there are standards. And they are very many.
Here, we're talking about paper standards. I can handle that. I can also handle 3D visualization/design.
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Oh Jeez! Argue with me anytime. Cursor is correct. E1 is considered the standard large format size used in architecture, but around here, we never referred to it as E1. We all call it E - incorrectly obviously. It is 30x42. Architects rarely if ever go to the large format E at 36x48. If I ask my printer to print on "E" size, I will get 30x42; At least here in my neck of the woods. Not that it really matters to me, as I never use larger than D size. If the home is too large for the sheet I simply create a key plan at 1/8", then show partial plans at 1/4.
Any E size doesn't fit well on a tailgate! I think in another 10 years, there won't be any paper in the field. At least I hope so!
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@cursor said:
I can actually supply a photograph of me working at such a manual workstation (in 1975). Warning ... my hairline has receded some. I guess that doesn't matter since you don't have a clue what I look like now! LOL
Kind Regards
[ c ]
if there's an air plane on that table I'd love to see...
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Beyond E, E1, E2, and E3, there are sizes F through N. Most are not anymore employed.
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@unknownuser said:
E size in U.S. is standard at 30"X42". D size is 24"x36". E size is a total pain in the field. D is much more manageable. These days I just use my iPad in the field.
Don't wanna be a pest ... but to be clear, there are umpteen paper-format standard sets, globally:
DIN (German), ISO, JIS, "Architectural," and then the ANSI (American National Standards Institute).Excusing all but the architectural "standards," and the ANSI standards, we have the following:
A R C H I T E C T U R A L [pre:3i755aoo]Arch A 9 × 12
Arch B 12 × 18
Arch C 18 × 24
Arch D 24 × 36
Arch E 36 × 48
Arch E1 30 × 42
Arch E2 26 × 38
Arch E3 27 × 39[/pre:3i755aoo]30"X42" is an "E1" format, not an "E."Peaking at the ANSI (American National Standards Institute) specification, however:
[pre:3i755aoo]ANSI A 5 × 11
ANSI B 11 × 17
ANSI C 17 × 22
ANSI D 22 × 34
ANSI E 34 × 44[/pre:3i755aoo]Regardless of what any architectural paper standard might be (or might have been):
In 1996 the American National Standards Institute adopted ANSI/ASME Y14.1 which defined a regular series of paper sizes based upon the de facto standard 8½"x11" (letter size) which it assigned "ANSI A." Tabloid — 11"x17" — is "ANSI B."To repeat my previous post:
From my experience at Hercules Aerospace in UT (late 70s through most of the 80s), E-sized drawings were/are 34"x44". Yes, they were in fact quite difficult to manage ... both in the office and for field personnel.
Personally I prefer formats that fold neatly to fit a letter-sized format (8½"x11"). 22"x34" (ANSI D) works great.
I hope that you can appreciate my lifelong experience, as I can appreciate your recent, yet very significant contribution to the SketchUp/Layout community. I will be purchasing your soon-to-be-published book.Thanks for all your constructive input, Nick.
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Whoa! 30x42" are you designing site signs? Most builders here in Australia would bury you under the footings if you used a sheet this large!
What sized projects are you working on? if it's an airport I guess you can be excused!
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@richard said:
Whoa! 30x42" are you designing site signs? Most builders here in Australia would bury you under the footings if you used a sheet this large!
What sized projects are you working on? if it's an airport I guess you can be excused!
Yes, it's a crazy size to manage in the field. I never go larger than 24"x36"
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