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    LARV
    last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 19:47

    Yes, resizing pictures in Illustrator is no problem, but If I want to change the DPI I do that in Photoshop first before importing into illustrator. For some reason my rendered Vray picture didn´t work as I´m used to with photos.

    "Though for printing raster documents, I'd recommend using inDesign. Much better link and page management."

    That part of the work process is no problem, I work with both profesionally since 8 years. I use both for different purposes.

    Thanks!

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      andybot
      last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:05

      I just mention that, as I've never been happy with using raster images in illustrator. Often, I'll do all the vector work for a layout in illustrator and then reference that into inDesign where I can then drop in the graphics. I've been using "inDesign" since the days of Pagemaker 😉

      http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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        LARV
        last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:08

        "using raster images in illustrator."

        Umm.. what exactly is a raster image again? No, I didn´t lie about my work as a graphic news designer, and although I´ve heard the term raster image I´m not sure what it is actually. 😄 Please note that my Adobe set is in swedish.

        "I'll do all the vector work for a layout in illustrator and then reference that into inDesign"
        Same here. Doing vector graphics in InDesign sounds horrible 😄

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          andybot
          last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:12

          @larv said:

          Umm.. what exactly is a raster image again? No, I didn´t lie about my work as a graphic news designer, and although I´ve heard the term raster image I´m not sure what it is actually. 😄 Please note that my Adobe set is in swedish.

          raster just means it is made up of pixels - like a jpg, png, tiff, psd, etc. When you zoom in, you see pixels instead of linework. Must be there's a different terminology in your location.

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            LARV
            last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:19

            OK, I get it. Pixel images like photos.. Yeah, we use them on occasion at the newspaper where I work 😆

            Thanks!

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              LARV
              last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:21

              "I've never been happy with using raster images in illustrator."

              That´s a new one. I´ve never had any problem with Illustrator not showing photos properly. Never heard of this problem from anyone. In fact, if there had been problems like that me and my workmates couldn´t do the work we do.
              Strange.

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                andybot
                last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:35

                nah, I just mean that clipping masks are a pain, I find adjusting images much more intuitive in inDesign. The other thing I really dislike is that file sizes get really huge in illustrator if there are high res images in there. Illustrator doesn't seem to use any compression for raster files.

                http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                  LARV
                  last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 20:50

                  Clipping masks are a pain in Illustrator? Guess it depends on what you want to achive. Simple things I´ll do in InDesign if it gets the job done, but most of the time I do it in Illustrator, sometimes together with Photoshop. I have to most of the times since photos and graphics often overlap in my work, and often in quite "complex" ways.

                  But I guess everyone uses different techniqes. Depends on what your work involves. I suspect you don´t work with infographics?

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                    andybot
                    last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 21:03

                    true, I don't work on magazine layouts. Usually I'm just doing fairly simple presentations. I use illustrator most often to work on CAD stuff like site plans. I can see for complicated combination of graphics and vector, illustrator is the obvious choice. I'm curious now if you have any particular method to deal with large file sizes for high resolution images in illustrator.

                    http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                      LARV
                      last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 21:35

                      Just change the size of the picture in Photoshop if it´s huge. It would take you 10 seconds to do this, and just set the DPI to, let´s say, 180-240. Or more, your choice. Done.

                      By the way, I only work with newspaper design, which doesn´t involve 10 meter wide banners. I don´t know if that changes anything. It might.
                      EDIT: Well yes it must. That file size would be crazy large. Don´t know how to deal with that type of stuff.

                      I think saving as PDF, rather than EPS, also decreases the size somewhat, but changing nothing to the work or file. We save in PDF all the time. But I might be wrong about the size decreasing though.

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                        andybot
                        last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 21:52

                        yeah, I guess we're talking apples to oranges 😄 I'm usually doing high resolution renderings filling most of an A1 sheet. At photo resolution the file size in illustrator can easily be over 100 Mb.

                        http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                          LARV
                          last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 21:56

                          OK I understand, but hmm.. is 100 megs really that large for a very high res picture in A1 format? Guess you would know if it´s smaller inside InDesign.

                          How much smaller in size does one of your pictures become in InDesign? 70% of the Illustrator size? 50%

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                            andybot
                            last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 22:03

                            A multiple page document in inDesign is just a few Mb. The reason is that inDesign only loads a low resolution preview instead of the entire bitmap file. So a document with something like 5 pages might be 7 Mb. Each one of those in illustrator with the full image would be like 120 Mb each = 600 Mb stored. Since I usually already have these files in Photoshop (already 100+ Mb there) duplicating this in illustrator is crazy.

                            http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                              LARV
                              last edited by 4 Dec 2014, 22:44

                              Alright, I understand.

                              You have a message by the way.

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