Updating Scenes (update VS save as a new)

oo7ml

Hi,

My model has 20 scenes. I want to go back and change the camera position on each scene, however when i update the scene, i'm given the following options:

A - Update Selected Style
B - Save As A New Style
C - Do Nothing

I don't really understand what this means.

Q1 - if i choose A, what exactly am i updating in my scene?

Q2 - if i choose B, what are the downfalls of save as a new style?

Q3 - why is the option to 'Do Nothing' here, is this the same as clicking a cancel button?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Rich O Brien

It is all related to Styles.

If you change your Style between scenes it detects such and prompts you.

http://help.sketchup.com/en/article/57622

JQL

You can have multiple styles in a model and SU is asking what you want to do with the current displayed style.

Read what Rich advised you and then your best bet might be to choose to do nothing and also something like "never show this again..."

Then you can configure your styles manually, apply a style to a scene or multiple scenes and update the scenes. After that, if you change that style in one scene, you'll change it in all scenes, making a coherent look between several scenes.

cotty

@jql said:

...if you change that style in one scene, you'll change it in all scenes, making a coherent look between several scenes.

Sometime this may be unwanted, if this is the case, option B should be chosen.

oo7ml

Thanks all. I still find it confusing as to why it asks these questions especially when i am not changing anything to do with Styles. I am purely only changing the Camera Location, however if i change my camera locations and then click 'Do Nothing' all of my camera locations are not saved when i open the file back up.

So maybe Camera Locations are attached to Styles?

JQL

No, Cameral locations are attched to scenes. But you can save a scene without a camera location being saved on "Scenes Manager's" details section. There you can set that scene not to save cameras.

You change styles on the fly if you use any of the options in the "View Menu", and that's why it's asking you if you want to save your changes.

There are several ways of changing those options:

From the styles toolbar;
From shortcuts (like "K");
From the styles manager (wich is where you should set your styles library and fine tune your styles);

Frequent style changes are face modes and edge modes, display sections or not.

Change any of those style properties and SU will ask if you want to save styles...

oo7ml

Ok, so would updating the existing style not seem like the best option.

I still find this confusing

I guess i should do more research on styles

Dave R

If you update the existing style you will change the style in other scenes that already use it. That may be alright but maybe it isn't. It depends on what you want and what the changes are. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense to simply create a new style every time you create a new scene. You can then wind up with a bunch of styles that have the exact same settings.

The best thing to do is pay attention to the changes you make that affect the style. Maybe you've already got a style with those settings and you can use it instead of creating a new style. If you keep the Styles window open while you work, you can see if you made changes to the current style before you create a scene. The thumbnail for the current style will show circular arrows if it has been modified without updating.

Note that shadow settings are scene settings but displaying hidden geometry is a style settting. Those two are frequently overlooked.

JQL

I think Dave meant that Shadow settings and Hidden Geometry are Scene settings, they don't affect styles.

Dave R

Hidden geometry is a style setting. You can see that by watching the current style thumbnail change when you turn hidden geometry on and off.

JQL

Sorry Dave,

Of course you're right. I was mislead into confusing "Hidden Geometry" with "Hidden Geometry" by your association with "Shadow Settings" wich won't affect styles but scenes, as you mentioned.

There is a "Hidden Geometry" setting for styles, wich toggles the display of hidden geometry (this makes changes to styles);
There is a "Hidden Geometry" setting for scenes, wich remembers geometry you've hidden in a given scene.

They shouldn't be confused

Hidden Geometry VS Hidden Geometry.png

Dave R

Seriously? What would make you confuse those?

JQL

@dave r said:

Seriously? What would make you confuse those?

LOL!