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    solo
    last edited by 10 Feb 2014, 19:17

    Jeff. My boys also have religious grandparents that do not approve of my lack of faith/belief, I allow my kids to make their own choices and if they want to attend church then so be it. They do go with the grandparents when on vacation as that always involves a good meal and treats after church. Both boys are not religious however both have learned about the Bible the Koran and Buddhism and if pushed they both said they preferred Buddhism.

    My eldest is busy doing the application process for West point and it seems he will have to say he is of some Christian denomination as the recruiter advised that his chances of entering will to slim to none if he says he is non religious regardless of his almost perfect SAT scores and other requirements. What can you do?, nothing.

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      Stinkie
      last edited by 10 Feb 2014, 21:15

      @solo said:

      My eldest is busy doing the application process for West point and it seems he will have to say he is of some Christian denomination as the recruiter advised that his chances of entering will to slim to none if he says he is non religious regardless of his almost perfect SAT scores and other requirements.

      That's ... weird. 😲

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        Box
        last edited by 10 Feb 2014, 21:33

        I just watched the nearly three hours of that debate. I didn't realise until now that Ken Ham was Australian.

        I'm very depressed and am off to shred my passport. The only upside is we managed to transport him to the states.

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          derei
          last edited by 10 Feb 2014, 23:00

          I'm not sure that anyone should take this debate too personally. As I can recall after watching it, it looks kinda "staged" meaning that they prepared this talk-show to be spectacular, knowing what will happen in the end. And mostly Mr. Ken Ham knew that his arguments will be invalid in the end, but still agreed to "play" this, for the amusement of the audience, let's say.
          Just look at each other presentations at the beginning which contained references to the opponent's speech.
          So, at least partly, this was a little staged. I won't argue here the things told in the debate (unless your name is Ken Ham, one simply CAN'T argue that πŸ’š ), but I will say this was a show for masses. And it had its audience. I enjoyed it.
          Just don't shred your passports πŸ˜„))

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            Mike Lucey
            last edited by 11 Feb 2014, 02:15

            Mmmmmmm ..... Dunno about popping a child's belief in Santa Claus πŸ˜’ I think its best to let kids figure it out for themselves as they do eventually. I can still vaguely remember the Christmas that I figured it out for myself. I was about 5 but think I played along as it was a great way of getting nice Christmas presents πŸ˜‰ If I remember correctly the same happened with my daughters but I still ask them if Santa delivered to this day!

            I very much doubt that mankind will ever get to the bottom (or top) of things. If he does, surly he would then be a 'God' but then again the Bible does say that mankind was made in the 'image' of God!

            Of late I have been reading what Robert Lanza has to say for himself. I find his ideas Biocentrism difficult to understand but am getting there.

            BIOCENTRISM

            *How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe

            β€œLike β€œA Brief History of Time” it is indeed stimulating and brings biology into the whole. Any short statement does not do justice to such a scholarly work. Almost every society of mankind has explained the mystery of our surroundings and being by invoking a god or group of gods. Scientists work to acquire objective answers from the infinity of space or the inner machinery of the atom. Lanza proposes a biocentrist theory which ascribes the answer to the observer rather than the observed. The work is a scholarly consideration of science and philosophy that brings biology into the central role in unifying the whole. The book will appeal to an audience of many different disciplines because it is a new way of looking at the old problem of our existence. Most importantly, it makes you think.”
            – Nobel Prize Winner E. Donnall Thomas*

            ...... I'd say Mr Donnall might have said, it makes you think VERY hard! Here is Robert Lanza's site, http://www.robertlanza.com/ Well worth a visit πŸ‘

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              tim
              last edited by 11 Feb 2014, 06:09

              @unknownuser said:

              @solo said:

              My eldest is busy doing the application process for West point and it seems he will have to say he is of some Christian denomination as the recruiter advised that his chances of entering will to slim to none if he says he is non religious regardless of his almost perfect SAT scores and other requirements.

              That's ... weird. 😲

              Actually I'm fairly sure it's a violation of the US constitution, which makes it rather more serious than simply 'weird'. There has been a long running scandal at the airforce academy in Colorado along similar lines. Not a few of my friends and colleagues that are alumni have become very disturbed enough that several of the colonels and above have sent pointed notes.

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                Daniel
                last edited by 11 Feb 2014, 15:04

                @derei said:

                I'm not sure that anyone should take this debate too personally. As I can recall after watching it, it looks kinda "staged" meaning that they prepared this talk-show to be spectacular, knowing what will happen in the end. And mostly Mr. Ken Ham knew that his arguments will be invalid in the end, but still agreed to "play" this, for the amusement of the audience, let's say.
                Just look at each other presentations at the beginning which contained references to the opponent's speech.
                So, at least partly, this was a little staged. I won't argue here the things told in the debate (unless your name is Ken Ham, one simply CAN'T argue that πŸ’š ), but I will say this was a show for masses. And it had its audience. I enjoyed it.
                Just don't shred your passports πŸ˜„))

                I'm sure it was staged. Attendance at Mr. Ham's creation "museum" has been dwindling over the last four years, and it is in financial trouble. They've had to nix the Noah's "Ark Park" they had planned on adding. He needed something to try to foster interest in it again.

                My avatar is an anachronism.

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                  Mike Lucey
                  last edited by 12 Feb 2014, 19:58

                  @daniel said:

                  I'm sure it was staged. Attendance at Mr. Ham's creation "museum" has been dwindling over the last four years, and it is in financial trouble. They've had to nix the Noah's "Ark Park" they had planned on adding. He needed something to try to foster interest in it again.

                  I read about the project here, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/us/06ark.html?_r=0
                  ARK-1-articleLarge.jpg

                  Its a pity that its not going ahead. I would have liked to see the Creationists fitting two of every kind with the exception of hermaphrodites of course. I'd be happy enough seeing it done virtually. At least it would generate some 3D work for someone πŸ˜‰

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                    Daniel
                    last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 14:39

                    Mike, I for one am glad it is not happening. My understanding was that they had planned on using live animals (could they really acquire two of every animal?). I don't have anything against properly designed and run zoos (I did one as my thesis project in architecture school), but to fit so many animals in their "ark" would require rather small pens, and that wouldn't be right. Plus, I have to admit I am biased against their "museum." Passing off creationism as science is just wrong, and unfortunately there are a lot of people gullible enough to belief their pseudo-science speak. Everyone has a right to believe what they want, but they misrepresent facts.

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                      solo
                      last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 14:59

                      @unknownuser said:

                      My understanding was that they had planned on using live animals

                      Wonder where they planned to get the dinosaurs.

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                        Box
                        last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 15:06

                        They don't need dinosaurs, they are a trick of the devil!

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                          solo
                          last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 15:11

                          @box said:

                          They don't need dinosaurs, they are a trick of the devil!

                          I kid you not, last week at the pub this topic was discussed with some mates and one of them who is pretty hard right wing mentioned this and he was adamant that bones and fossils of dinosaurs were placed by the devil to confuse Christians, the sad part is this guy is a doctor.

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                            Box
                            last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 15:13

                            Glad to see you embrace a wide variety of friends.

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                              jeff hammond
                              last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 16:14

                              @tim said:

                              @unknownuser said:

                              @solo said:

                              My eldest is busy doing the application process for West point and it seems he will have to say he is of some Christian denomination as the recruiter advised that his chances of entering will to slim to none if he says he is non religious regardless of his almost perfect SAT scores and other requirements.

                              That's ... weird. 😲

                              Actually I'm fairly sure it's a violation of the US constitution, which makes it rather more serious than simply 'weird'. There has been a long running scandal at the airforce academy in Colorado along similar lines. Not a few of my friends and colleagues that are alumni have become very disturbed enough that several of the colonels and above have sent pointed notes.

                              probably not a violation (or a prosecutable one) as it sounds more like an under the table deal and i highly doubt they'll leave official traces of someone being denied entrance due to religious background.

                              sounds nutz nonetheless.

                              personally, i have problems with authority (i guess that's how it would be described by an authoritarian figure).. i'd never make it past day 1 in a military type academy ..or, i'd never make it in because in this instance, when they start asking about religion etc, i'd be "why do you want to know that!? why is that important? etc"
                              hammond- application denied! πŸ˜„

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                                solo
                                last edited by 13 Feb 2014, 16:19

                                Jeff

                                I agree, like the recruiter said, it would be in his best interest if he did have a religion, he did say you do not have to be a practicing one, just say you are one for the sake of a smooth application process.

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                                  solo
                                  last edited by 14 Feb 2014, 21:53

                                  Nye will continue his crusade against misinformation this Sunday on "Meet the Press" with a debate against proud climate change denier Marsha Blackburn, the Republican congresswoman who serves as the vice chair of the House Energy & Commerce Committee.

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                                    solo
                                    last edited by 14 Feb 2014, 22:34

                                    http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/06/4803445/missouri-bill-would-let-parents.html

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                                      solo
                                      last edited by 15 Feb 2014, 16:54

                                      Wow! just wow.

                                      1 in 4 Americans Don't Know Earth Orbits the Sun. Yes, Really.

                                      ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

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                                      (news.discovery.com)

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                                        Mike Lucey
                                        last edited by 17 Feb 2014, 10:28

                                        @solo said:

                                        Wow! just wow.

                                        1 in 4 Americans Don't Know Earth Orbits the Sun. Yes, Really.

                                        ERROR: The request could not be satisfied

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                                        (news.discovery.com)

                                        Another way of looking at it might be that 1 in 4 Americans don't care about such facts!

                                        This is more,

                                        Americans surveyed: misunderstood, misrepresented or ignorant?

                                        "In 2003, a US Strategic Task Force of Education Abroad report concluded that America’s ignorance of the outside world was so great as to constitute a threat to national security"

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                                        Americans surveyed: misunderstood, misrepresented or ignorant?

                                        Following the results of the poll suggesting a quarter of Americans do not know the Earth circles the Sun, we look at some other examples of surprising US survey results

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                                        The Telegraph (www.telegraph.co.uk)

                                        Then again, maybe they subscribe to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

                                        Flat_earth.png

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                                          andybot
                                          last edited by 17 Feb 2014, 14:50

                                          lol, south pole exploration must be some fun in that version of the world...

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