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    • M Offline
      MOGhouse
      last edited by

      I have been looking into using Qt4 for making nice UI's for Sketchup plugin's
      I'm looking into how to make it work runtime in a sketchup plugin, and there is very little documentation to be found anywhere.
      So, basically I'm posting to see if anyone else interested in this, have you been working this way, or is there any good reason not to use Qt4 for UI's.

      My goal is to post a solid "How-to" use/setup Qt4 UI's in Sketchup plugin's.

      If you don't know Qt4 - Qt4 is an IDE made by Nokia, very powerful and used for very sophisticated UI's.
      Part of the IDE is Qt4-designer - a graphical interface WYSIWYG kind-of-thing, very cool and considered by many the best around.
      Qt4-designer is free and open source.
      Screenshot Qt4 here: http://qt.nokia.com/images/products/qt-designer-screenshot-mac/view

      The workflow goes like this:

      • Layout your UI with widgets, buttons, sliders, dials, combo's and what have you.
      • Set properties to get behaviour and look you want.
      • Set signals/slots to connect UI with you main RUBY plugin file.
      • Qt4 saves as an XML file.
      • Run the XML file through a program/compiler ("rbuic4" in linux-terminal) with Ruby bindings and output is a ready-to-go UI in RUBY.
      • You can re-work/tweak the RUBY UI or leave and use as is.

      Pro's for this workflow:

      • Fast way to make some really cool UI stuff.
      • The RUBY UI runs and looks native in both Windows AND Mac-OSX - from the SAME UI-file.
      • Keep plugin's in only RUBY - you can scramble the UI if you are into that kind-of-thing.
      • The UI file is separated from the logic.
      • Should you be trembling over Trimble in the future - at least your UI can easily be converted to python/java or whatever you require.

      Con's for this workflow

      • There is very little documentation around.

      For some documentation of this I found this link: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Developing_Qt4_Applications_using_Qt_Designer_and_Ruby_on_Kubuntu

      Right now I'm trying to figure out the runtime dependencies/libraries needed and where to locate/put them.
      If you have anything you want to share - PLEASE post πŸ˜„

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      • Dan RathbunD Offline
        Dan Rathbun
        last edited by

        Sounds like a full Ruby install will be needed by all end users.

        Easy on PC... but on MAC it requires changing symbolic links. Do a search on this forum (or check the indexes in the Code Snippets Sticky we have other threads on these topics.

        I'm not here much anymore.

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        • thomthomT Offline
          thomthom
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          One thing to investigate for this project is if all the frameworks required overrides any of the core methods - can can cause problems.
          If you require the Standard Ruby Library there might very well be problems. The Set class in SketchUp conflicts with the Set class in the Standard Library for instance.

          Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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          • Dan RathbunD Offline
            Dan Rathbun
            last edited by

            @thomthom said:

            The Set class in SketchUp conflicts with the Set class in the Standard Library for instance.

            I just happened to be working on a fix, as I need to use a gem that requires the standard Set class.

            see: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=45443#p406187

            I'm not here much anymore.

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            • J Offline
              Jim
              last edited by

              Just wanted to point out wxSU. Similar idea to yours, but uses wxWindows. Perhaps there is some ideas that could be applied to Qt4.

              Link Preview Image
              wxSU - A wxRuby Plugin for Google SketchUp

              favicon

              (wxsu.sourceforge.net)

              Hi

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              • thomthomT Offline
                thomthom
                last edited by

                @jim said:

                Just wanted to point out wxSU.

                Didn't SU4Thea use that at some point - and it caused conflicts and issues. Messed around with lots of stuff, even attached hidden windows to the SketchUp window etc...? Or was that something else?

                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • M Offline
                  MOGhouse
                  last edited by

                  @jim said:

                  Just wanted to point out wxSU. Similar idea to yours, but uses wxWindows. Perhaps there is some ideas that could be applied to Qt4.

                  Link Preview Image
                  wxSU - A wxRuby Plugin for Google SketchUp

                  favicon

                  (wxsu.sourceforge.net)

                  That is a very good idea - will have a look πŸ˜„

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                  • Dan RathbunD Offline
                    Dan Rathbun
                    last edited by

                    Yes thomthom, WxSU creates an invisible toplevel windowframe around the SketchUp application window, so that Wx messages can bubble up to that window object and be processed. (It changes the SU app window class to be a child of this invisible window.)

                    I wonder if this can cause problems for plugins that use EventRelay, or plugins that are searching for window objects using Win API calls via Win32API ??

                    I'm not here much anymore.

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                    • thomthomT Offline
                      thomthom
                      last edited by

                      @dan rathbun said:

                      I wonder if this can cause problems for plugins that use EventRelay, or plugins that are searching for window objects using Win API calls via Win32API ??

                      Yes it can.

                      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      • M Offline
                        MOGhouse
                        last edited by

                        Hi guys - thank you for your input.

                        It might be that Dan is right and a complete ruby installation is needed at runtime, but that is not the easy lightweight solution I was hoping for.
                        Here is what I was hoping to achieve.

                        main.rb cotains

                        require 'your_ui.rb'
                        

                        and

                        require 'Qt4'
                        

                        I want to track down the files/libraries that are sought by

                        require 'Qt4'
                        

                        The files required by Qt4 is placed inside the sketchup tree, maybe in /Resources/Qt/, as standalone dependencies for plugin's.
                        Then require the files directly with a path to the files... /Resources/Qt/Qtcore

                        As I understand Sketchup runs its own ruby interpreter 1.8.6, and I want the interpreter to run the GUI also.

                        Should this work? or is it a really bad idea?

                        Sorry, I have a stupid question - I can't get my head around the require.
                        When you require 'Sketchup' or 'Qt4' - what actually happens, which files are actually sought? - I sure there is an easy way to track them down, I just can't find it .... πŸ˜•
                        Can anyone give me a hint.

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                        • Dan RathbunD Offline
                          Dan Rathbun
                          last edited by

                          @moghouse said:

                          Sorry, I have a stupid question - I can't get my head around the require.
                          When you require 'Sketchup' or 'Qt4' - what actually happens, which files are actually sought?

                          The require() method is defined in mixin module Kernel, which is "mixed into" class Object, using the C-side of the include method.

                          Therefore... since ALL objects in Ruby are subclasses of Object, EVERY object's pedigree will contain Object and Kernel. You can see this with the ancestors() method. Subclasses inherit their ancestors methods, but can be overridden locally within a class or module, or locally undefined (which is rare.)

                          You should read up on the Kernel.require and Kernel.load methods.. and understand how require uses the global arrays $LOAD_PATH (aka $:,) and $LOADED_FEATURES (aka $".)

                          Get the Standard Ruby 1.8.6 Reference (CHM) here, or access the online web editions for the Core and Libs.

                          I'm not here much anymore.

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                          • Dan RathbunD Offline
                            Dan Rathbun
                            last edited by

                            @moghouse said:

                            The files required by Qt4 is placed inside the sketchup tree, maybe in /Resources/Qt/, as standalone dependencies for plugin's.
                            Then require the files directly with a path to the files... /Resources/Qt/Qtcore

                            Should this work? or is it a really bad idea?

                            Bad idea.

                            1) the Resouces path is a application OEM path and should remain "hands off"

                            2) it is very difficult to install anything into that path

                            Ruby libraries, other than a few win32ole.so and Win32API.so (for historical reasons,) need to stay in the Ruby lib directories. (And even those 2 mentioned here, should stay in the full Ruby install folders, if possible.)

                            We just cannot copy all of the Ruby extended library files into the Sketchup plugins folder. It will create havoc.

                            I'm not here much anymore.

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                            • Dan RathbunD Offline
                              Dan Rathbun
                              last edited by

                              @moghouse said:

                              main.rb cotains

                              require 'your_ui.rb'
                              

                              and

                              require 'Qt4'
                              

                              Actually the 'author_subdir/your_ui.rb' file would have statement(s) at or near the top that are:

                              require('!loadpaths')
                              require('Qt4')
                              
                              

                              See my post: [ Code ] Ruby LOAD PATHs script (Win32) : ver 3.0.1

                              πŸ’­

                              I'm not here much anymore.

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                              • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                Dan Rathbun
                                last edited by

                                @moghouse said:

                                I want to track down the files/libraries that are sought by Qt4

                                I do remember seeing a Ruby script that would go through a file looking for require statements, and search each dependency in turn for their dependancies.

                                It would print out a report. Either was something Rick Wilson wrote, .. or something that disro'd with the Full Ruby install.

                                But cannot locate it now.

                                I'm not here much anymore.

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                                • bomastudioB Offline
                                  bomastudio
                                  last edited by

                                  I've found this project....what do u think??

                                  http://visualruby.net/

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                                  • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                    Dan Rathbun
                                    last edited by

                                    It has nothing to do with Qt4, uses GTK+ and should not work under SketchUp Ruby, as is.
                                    You should start a new topic just for this (VisualRuby/Glade) subject.

                                    I'm not here much anymore.

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                                    • A Offline
                                      archonmaster
                                      last edited by

                                      I also want to use QT for user interface. Is there any examples?
                                      I decide to create thread and execute main loop of QT application in this thread.
                                      [pre:g779cno0]DWORD WINAPI mainLoop(CONST LPVOID lpParam) {
                                      coreDataStruct * data = (coreDataStruct *)lpParam;

                                      int argc = 0;
                                      char **argv = 0;
                                      
                                      data->app = new QApplication(argc, argv);
                                      data->app->setQuitOnLastWindowClosed(false);
                                      data->app->exec();
                                      
                                      data->active = 0;
                                      ExitThread(0);
                                      

                                      }
                                      VALUE cModule_initialize(...) {
                                      if (coreData->active == 0) {
                                      HANDLE thread = CreateThread(NULL, 0, &mainLoop, (void*)coreData, 0, NULL);
                                      coreData->mainThread = thread;
                                      coreData->active = 1;
                                      return Qtrue;
                                      }
                                      return Qfalse;
                                      }[/pre:g779cno0]
                                      Thread is created in function cModule_initialize that should be executed in the begining
                                      To create window I have this function:
                                      [pre:g779cno0]VALUE cModule_createWin(...) {
                                      if (coreData->active == 0) return Qfalse;
                                      QDialog *dialog = new QDialog;
                                      dialog->show();
                                      return Qtrue;
                                      }[/pre:g779cno0]
                                      Is that correct?

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