UK Riots
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@david. said:
@roger said:
This is by and large an intelligent group. Don't ask us to accept anything written by Ann Coulter other than a suicide note.
From that statement, your definition of intelligent is quite different than mine. Assuming you fall into the category, it is a good example of the hypocrisy of the left wing. Sounds like you're not far from joining the thugs on the streets of London.
I am certain that my definition is different. As to joining the street thugs, I think along the lines of Pogo's creator, Walt Kelly, who said he did not trust the "extreme left, the extreme right or the extreme center."
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@roger said:
The Brits are typically understated. What you see there is the UK equivalent of the LA Watts riots.
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Rioting in a democracy is an interesting phenomenon. What are people rioting against? If the system is a democracy then the voters have taken part in the election of the leaders they are protesting. However, a democracy also grants voting rights to the stupid, the mentally defect, the easily influenced, the lazy -- many who end up protesting their own choice of laws and leaders.
Ironically, even when the disenfranchised become a majority, they lack the cohesiveness, and social self awareness to band together and use their numerical superiority to vote the bums out of office. They end up resorting to emotion, and rage rather than intelligent problem solving.
Democracy is so flawed and at the same time so superior to any other real world (as opposed to theoretical) political system. Education is important to improve the process. What really hurts is when freely available education becomes and easy target of cost cutters. Economists are important tools, but they are tools and not leaders. The only way to improve a democracy is to make education available to all. In fact, it needs to be actively promoted and not just economically protected.
That is my rant for the day. I am just running it up the flag pole to see who salutes. I reserve the right to change directions at a moments notice.
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Interesting stats from 2009: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
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A stiff upper lip is good, but after a while it begins to hurt and you get out of sorts and begin to act out. And finally you want to share your stiff upper lip so you hit the guy next to you. He, in turn, begins to feel the same way and it is not long before you have proper riot.
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Well it seems to me that a better promotion for social networking rather than riot coordination is the possibility to naturally adopt and support group leaders who are interested in finding consensus about solutions for problems. Such leaders might evolve from local right up to national interests. A massive digital house of commons - "Would the honourable gentleman agree ... " gone Twitter.
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@david. said:
Interesting stats from 2009: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
This could also mean that the UK just has the best crime detection rates
Also the figures were compiled by the party out of power at the time and reported in the Daily mail - I don't put too much faith in them. -
I would be inclined to take those stats with a grain of salt as they are generalised and do not reflect the true situation.
I visit the UK on a regular basis, mostly Brighton and occasionally London. I do find London like a lot of large Cities, particularly New York, not very pleasant places to visit.
I find the general lack of community spirit in such places reflects in people's attitudes. It seems they 'have their guard up' most of the time whereas smaller town's folk are much more welcoming and tolerant.
Maybe there is an ideal optimum size for cities! Kirkpatrick Sale's 'Human Scale' put up a good argument for this in great detail. I must pull it off the book shelf again.
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I've just read Coulter's article. It's a rather amazing bit of prose: dumb, dripping with prejudice, devoid of anything remotely close to a real thought. Here's a quote:
"A few well-placed rifle rounds, and the rioting would end in an instant. A more sustained attack on the rampaging mob might save England from itself, finally removing shaved-head, drunken parasites from the benefits rolls that Britain can't find the will to abolish on moral or utilitarian grounds. We can be sure there's no danger of killing off the next Winston Churchill or Edmund Burke in these crowds."
This must be satire. It's gotta be. If not, Coulter's completely bonkers, or simply utterly immoral.
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AC is a media whore.
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Paul Verhaeghe, a clinical psychologist who teaches at the university in Ghent, Belgium, said something interesting in a Flemish newspaper. Allow me to paraphrase: politicians and opinion makers now say the looting youths have no moral values, but that's nonsense. They've exactly the same moral values as the rest of us. In our society, money, success, and status are all that matter - and the way one obtains any of these is perceived as irrelevant.
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@unknownuser said:
Allow me to paraphrase: politicians and opinion makers now say the looting youths have no moral values, but that's nonsense. They've exactly the same moral values as the rest of us. In our society, money, success, and status are all that matter - and the way one obtains any of these is perceived as irrelevant.
I agree.
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Hope the local trotskists would enjoy it
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This is not complete picture IMO. There should be one level more drawn to the left of the bankers - someone printing money with the same comment for the bankers.
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It just so happens I saw Inside Job (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/) quite recently. A must-see.
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Thanks Stinkie for the headsup on Inside Job! Paid my $5 and downloaded it from http://www.imovielounge.com/ and have just finished viewing it.
While I had a fairly good idea good idea of what had and is now happening in the financial world these days, I was further enlightened by what I learned on this well produced and researched documentary.
It looks like its 'business as usual' for Wall Street, no not Wall Street, the real power brokers behind Wall Street. The chumps that were interviewed, bankers, brokers, 'advisers', and even top university lecturers are in my opinion only the 'hired hands', no not hired hands .... more like hired whores! Whores will admit to what they are and not try to make themselves out to be otherwise, particularly that buxom blonde lady in the documentary. (Now that comment should raise curiosity
)I am glad I learned about Charles Morris's 'The Two Trillion Dollar Meltdown'. I imagine it will offer further enlightenment.
Back on topic, 'UK Riots'. As to what's going to happen in the '1st World'! Its becoming more and more obvious to me that we will be seeing and lot more riots around Europe and the USA.
I used to think that the 'Bilderberg' stuff was a load of rubbish, but the more I see what is happening the more I feel there is probably a grain of truth to the accusations of 'World Domination', 'Enslaving' etc etc.
I tend to 'read people's faces' when they are telling me things or making announcements. Did you notice Obama's facial expression and body language in the documentary when he announced Bernanke as the FED Boss for second term. See attached image! It looked to me that this was forced on Obama ...... it now looks to me that he is now nothing more than a Wall Street puppet being manipulated by the real power brokers .... sad!
Our crowd (politicians) over here are not much better! I had the same opinion when I recently saw Merkel and Sarkozy announcing 'their' ways to save the Euro. Fat chance, IMO its their countries wanker bankers that caused the problem in the EU in the first place while they had their 'eye off the ball'. Then again I really doubt they ever had their 'eye on the ball'. Check out the picture of this couple in question. Then read my 'signature' .... it rings so true in these times.
In most of the 1st World we put politicians into power for periods of around 4 years. We, the electorate then trust them to do what they promised to do in their election manifestos! I think the time is coming very soon for some kind of true self government that will allow the electorate to be involved in decision making on a full time basis. We have to 'balance' our domestic budgets on a weekly basis so why not do likewise with our Country's. Twenty years ago this would not have been even thinkable BUT we have the technology to do this in the 1st World these days. All we need is the willingness to do so!
The next major 'crash' we will be seeing here in parts of the EU will be state pensions. Most private pesnions have been decimated already. Ireland's national pension fund has been raped by the ECB and from what I gather the same applies to Greece and its only a matter of time before the same happens to Spain, Portugal, Spain, Italy and other EU counties.
There simply will not be sufficient funds to upkeep old age pensions or even public / civil servant (guaranteed) pensions. Then again Bismarck did not intend state pensions to last for 20+ years
So I image folk will have to continue working until they are 75! Then again I imagine this would not bother many people IF they had fair employment regulations, possibly offering the some 'time out' to raise kids in the informative years, 0 - 6.
Would those renegade kids have caused so much disruption in the UK if their parents had more time to teach, supervise and raise them properly in their informative years?
Mike
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@unknownuser said:
It looks like its 'business as usual' for Wall Street, no not Wall Street, the real power brokers behind Wall Street. The chumps that were interviewed, bankers, brokers, 'advisers', and even top university lectures are in my opinion only the 'hired hands', no not hired hands .... more like hired whores! Whores will admit to what they are and not try to make themselves out to be otherwise, particularly that buxom blonde lady in the documentary.
Mike, I just wanted to state the same. Like in the caricature, there is a missing level in this A production documentary...leading people in a wrong way. I'm glad you are considering "conspiracy theories" without prejudice, and you are looking at puppet's gestures. They can not hide it if you look. Politicians are bad actors these days. I'm shore about that. (blond lady is from B production
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