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    • D Offline
      d12dozr
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      That's clever πŸ‘

      I normally use FredoScale on a regular window component so the trim isn't distorted...is there an advantage of this way vs. using FredoScale?

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        brookefox
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        @d12dozr said:

        I normally use FredoScale on a regular window component so the trim isn't distorted...is there an advantage of this way vs. using FredoScale?

        I'll have to try that. Which component would you recommend? Maybe F-scaling one produced by this process?

        ~ Brooke

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          brookefox
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          It occurred to me at four in the morning, when I am not usually awake for long, that this might be an OK candidate for a plugin, which could begin at the beginning, just before one draws the rectangle (input on wall depth needed?), or directly after that with a pick of edges of the cut face, to automate the rest of the process.

          ~ Brooke

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            brookefox
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            @brookefox said:

            @d12dozr said:

            I normally use FredoScale on a regular window component so the trim isn't distorted...is there an advantage of this way vs. using FredoScale?

            I'll have to try that. Which component would you recommend? Maybe F-scaling one produced by this process?

            I think I see: with the 'stretch' tool of F-scale. It doesn't work on components produced by my little thingy, because of the embedded groups, I guess, though it looks like that could be fixed to work. Pros / cons either way? EDIT: simply exploding the two internal groups didn't facilitate F-scale's working on this component, but likely it could be edited to do so.

            The smoothing evident in the trim sometimes seems to result from the fact that the follow-me is performed on welded line segments. But why does it happen only sometimes, and how can it be prevented?

            ~ Brooke

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              d12dozr
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              @brookefox said:

              Which component would you recommend?

              I usually just use simple windows like the ones in Sketchup 6 bonus pack.

              @brookefox said:

              It occurred to me at four in the morning, when I am not usually awake for long, that this might be an OK candidate for a plugin, which could begin at the beginning, just before one draws the rectangle (input on wall depth needed?), or directly after that with a pick of edges of the cut face, to automate the rest of the process.

              Have you seen Windowizer 4? I haven't tried it but it looks like it may do what you want.

              @brookefox said:

              I think I see: with the 'stretch' tool of F-scale. It doesn't work on components produced by my little thingy, because of the embedded groups, I guess, though it looks like that could be fixed to work. Pros / cons either way? EDIT: simply exploding the two internal groups didn't facilitate F-scale's working on this component, but likely it could be edited to do so.

              I can't understand why FredoScale's Stretching doesn't work with your window, normally embedded components/groups stretch just fine, like this cabinet for example.

              @unknownuser said:

              The smoothing evident in the trim sometimes seems to result from the fact that the follow-me is performed on welded line segments. But why does it happen only sometimes, and how can it be prevented?

              Do you have an example?

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                brookefox
                last edited by

                @d12dozr said:

                @brookefox said:

                Which component would you recommend?

                I usually just use simple windows like the ones in Sketchup 6 bonus pack.

                @brookefox said:

                It occurred to me at four in the morning, when I am not usually awake for long, that this might be an OK candidate for a plugin, which could begin at the beginning, just before one draws the rectangle (input on wall depth needed?), or directly after that with a pick of edges of the cut face, to automate the rest of the process.

                Have you seen Windowizer 4? I haven't tried it but it looks like it may do what you want.

                Yes, that one looks good, if not free. I'm trying to learn as I go and remain free.

                @unknownuser said:

                @brookefox said:

                I think I see: with the 'stretch' tool of F-scale. It doesn't work on components produced by my little thingy, because of the embedded groups, I guess, though it looks like that could be fixed to work. Pros / cons either way? EDIT: simply exploding the two internal groups didn't facilitate F-scale's working on this component, but likely it could be edited to do so.

                I can't understand why FredoScale's Stretching doesn't work with your window, normally embedded components/groups stretch just fine, like this cabinet for example.

                Those cabinets are dynamic components. I think my thingy creates sticky edges and faces, which may be fixable. LATER: I exploded the internal groups and deleted redundant geometry that that created and FS worked almost, then I made the sill ortho with the rest and exploded the straight edged curve I had used for the follow-me but had forgotten and FS worked OK.

                @unknownuser said:

                The smoothing evident in the trim sometimes seems to result from the fact that the follow-me is performed on welded line segments. But why does it happen only sometimes, and how can it be prevented?

                @unknownuser said:

                Do you have an example?

                Yes, please see below.


                window with trim - unwanted smooth-2.JPG


                window with trim - unwanted smooth-4.JPG

                ~ Brooke

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                  d12dozr
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  Yes, that one looks good, if not free. I'm trying to learn as I go and remain free.

                  There is Windowizer 3 that is free but not as robust.

                  As far as the smoothing, welding line segments will always make geometry smoothed AFAIK, I don't know why it would only happen sometimes, maybe somebody else knows?

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                  • brookefoxB Offline
                    brookefox
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                    @d12dozr said:

                    @unknownuser said:

                    Yes, that one looks good, if not free. I'm trying to learn as I go and remain free.

                    There is Windowizer 3 that is free but not as robust.

                    Yes, I've tried it, but prefer what my thing yields: trim on both sides, insul glass, sloped sill, etc., admittedly with a little more effort. Using Fredo scale (stretch) on a simplified profile may be a good compromise but it still takes editing and I think cannot have sloped surfaces, which will stretch incorrectly.

                    Anyway, thanks for hanging with me on this and for your help.

                    ~ Brooke

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                      pbacot
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                      @unknownuser said:

                      I can't understand why FredoScale's Stretching doesn't work with your window, normally embedded components/groups stretch just fine, like this cabinet for example.

                      I find exactly the problem referred to. Often embedded components do not respond well to FredoScale stretching. But I think you are talking about two methods. This current component looks like a good tool to make a window, but once you've made it and added all the trim you want for your project. It is perhaps easier to explode and re-component it with strategic insertion point/axes. Then place in each remaining opening, make unique, and resize with FredoScale.

                      I don't think you'd have a problem stretching your finished window if there are no embedded components. The beauty of Fredoscale box stretching is it stretches from a center plane in the object, leaving sills and such moved but otherwise untouched. At the center of your window there are only perpendicular planes. It also has a target mode so it is easier to hit opening size.

                      oops...just realized this is an old thread. I saw Jul. 5 and... I was searching on a particular subject when I ran across this.😳

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                      • A Offline
                        ArCAD-UK
                        last edited by

                        Old but still relevant? I need to look into Fredoscale, didn't know it worked like that.

                        As for the OP the current method I use is to create a template window component to a known size e.g. 2' x 2', then make a "unique" copy which i then edit by "Moving" the sides & head ideally to a known dimension, but it can also be pulled to inference with the opening lines if editing in place. This also works with any sub divisions that can be moved individually.

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