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      bjornkn
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      I have no idea how well that Lightcraft toolset works, but according to the info in that link it is a set of Maya plugins, making it useless if you don't own Maya (which I don't).
      I have used such photogrammetry software for many years, PhotoModeler and ImageModeler, and now also Tgi3Ds PhotoScan (with plugin for SketchUp), and I can tell you that with PhotoScan making such a model should be much easier/better than with those two other tools.
      There are also some free "3D scanners" available, but AFAIK they all produce huge, dense point clouds, which wouldn't be very useful for SU/GE work.
      With PhotoScan you can control exactly how much detail you want in the geometry and how much detail you leave up to the textures (applied right inside SU with PhotoMatch tools).

      Some of the photos you posted are croppped, which is not good for any photogrammetry software..

      -- I noticed that the thread is old, so the "case may be closed" already?

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        pilou
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        Photofly πŸ˜‰ (it's free)
        [flash=560,349:1n313mio]http://www.youtube.com/v/8YNrQA6eofI?version=3&amp[/flash:1n313mio]

        Frenchy Pilou
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          Aerilius
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          Salut Pilou!
          I will add my review of Photofly to this very very old thread:
          http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=169&t=37848&p=334675#p334675
          I would like to have drone for taking aerial photos of the original subject of my first post πŸ˜‰

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            bjornkn
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            @aerilius said:

            I would like to have drone for taking aerial photos of the original subject of my first post πŸ˜‰

            You could get a long way with a camera pole too πŸ˜„

            Out of curiosity - is that rock model on GE now? If it is - where is it exactly?
            Looks like a very strange formation.

            And did you try PhotoScan too?

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              mac1
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              Not my area but maybe worth a read ❓ $$ http://www.brainstormllc.com/ but has 30 trial

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                bjornkn
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                Photosketch looks nice, but it is advertised as a tool for creating lowpoly buildings inside SketchUp.
                Just like SU's own PhotoMatch, but with some automation, like undistorted photos, point clouds and higher precision?

                What dense point clouds does is using brute force, just like when using DEMs for generating landscapes. You really often need millions of polys to get a well defined model with crisp details/creases. It often ends up looking like a metaball/blob object.
                The beauty/power of PhotoScan is that it gives you the tools to model from photos fully controlled, and even make very dense automatically surface-fitted meshes like with point clouds, if that's what you want.
                And it can be used with any object, buildings, complex/concave organic forms, terrain - even with glass and shiny objects (which never works with point cloud mesh generators).
                I really doubt that any of the point cloud generators would have any chance to make an automatic model of something like this sharp edged, complicated/overlapping stainless steel sculpture?


                Volare.jpg

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                  pilou
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  I would like to have drone for taking aerial photos

                  It's very easy with a kite! 😎

                  From this page

                  http://kap.online.fr/images/rig1.jpg

                  http://kap.online.fr/images/rig2.jpg

                  http://kap.online.fr/images/radio.jpg

                  http://kap.online.fr/images/eclipse1.jpg

                  Frenchy Pilou
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                  My Little site :)

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                    pilou
                    last edited by

                    I have forgotten PhotoSculpt πŸ˜‰ (just 2 images ! 😎

                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                      bjornkn
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                      Kites (aka KAP) are nice if there's wind and you're not close to people/buildings/trees/power lines.
                      Balloons, blimps, RC helis etc are nice if there are no wind, people/buildings etc
                      Poles are nice if you want closeups from lower altitudes than possible with a kite, and works fine anywhere, regardless of wind, people/buildings etc.
                      Besides, it requires a lot less rigging/setup and is a lot cheaper πŸ˜„
                      A sturdy telescopic 7m pole may cost you $100?

                      BTW, PhotoSculpt seems to have a very limited use for modeling, as it can only use 2 photos, and only makes a textured 3D relief.

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                        pilou
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                        @unknownuser said:

                        and only makes a textured 3D relief.

                        Yes but as it's a 3d file, just make the turn of your object πŸ˜‰
                        So maybe 12 photos and past the result πŸ˜‰

                        Frenchy Pilou
                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
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                          bjornkn
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                          @unknownuser said:

                          @unknownuser said:

                          and only makes a textured 3D relief.

                          Yes but as it's a 3d file, just make the turn of your object πŸ˜‰
                          So maybe 12 photos and past the result πŸ˜‰

                          Let's see an example? πŸ˜‰

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                            pilou
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                            I never try πŸ˜‰
                            just tricky fun images β˜€ (from Chaoscope)

                            http://forum.zbrush.fr/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5689.0;attach=11516;image

                            But I believe that the autor (a French guy πŸ˜‰ should make a new version with this option πŸ˜‰

                            Frenchy Pilou
                            Is beautiful that please without concept!
                            My Little site :)

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                              bjornkn
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                              Well, they look pretty flat to me πŸ˜‰

                              I believe it doesn't really work with 3D coordinates, but more like 2 1/2D?
                              According to the info it makes a mesh with 1pixel = 1 face, and then adds depth info to that pixel. WHich means that a 6Mpx image will make a 6Mpoly mesh (or even 12 million triangles?)
                              Making 6 of those around the object (what about from above and below?) and trying to use SU to weld those 6x6 million faces (36 millions!) together won't be a fun job πŸ˜‰
                              It looks like it could work fine for making normal and bump maps though πŸ˜„

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                                bjornkn
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                                @unknownuser said:

                                No no, it's a real 3D file x,y,z, format export OBJ

                                Yes, but the x and z are probably in an evenly spaced grid, one per pixel, if there's one vertex (face) per pixel. Then you can't have more than one vertex per xz position (assuming y is the depth), and you will get no details at the top and bottom. That is just like a DEM, where you have a xy grid where each pixel/face will have an altitude z value, making it impossible to get overhangs etc, and with very little, and streaked, details on very steep walls/slopes.

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                                  pilou
                                  last edited by

                                  No no, it's a real 3D file x,y,z, format export OBJ
                                  and you can increase, decrease decimate numbers of polys
                                  as you want inside the prog before the export! πŸ€“


                                  photosculpt.jpg

                                  Frenchy Pilou
                                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                  My Little site :)

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                                    pilou
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                                    You can obtain the details by some bump or displacement as you have
                                    the new calculated texture ! πŸ˜‰
                                    Here I have decreased twice from the maximum
                                    photosculpt.jpg

                                    Frenchy Pilou
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                                    My Little site :)

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