Osama bin Laden's hideout in Abbottabad Pakistan
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and what do you**people** think about this ?
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What if Bin Laden did not do it ?
Why has not it been investigated ?
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Not sure what to do here...
Laugh or cry...I must be psychic, cause I did predict that this thread would evolve with all sorts of conspiracy theories...
Juan... It's hoax... These things have been investigated...
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@juanv.soler said:
What if Bin Laden did not do it ?
Why has not it been investigated ?He's on video, admitting he did it. What's more, he said he was pleasantly surprised the the buildings collapsed. They'd only planned for destruction at the point of impact and the floors above.
It has been investigated; it's just that some people prefer fantasy to fact. It seems to make their lives more interesting.
Tens of thousands of people witnessed two fully fueled jets crash into the buildings...as did countless TV cameras. Not one person noticed mysterious figures carrying tons of semtex and miles of detcord.Just because there are some civil engineering aspects that remain unanswered (because humans are fallible) doesn't mean that Bin Laden was framed, the NSA is the real culprit ...or that we should all go around wearing tinfoil hats to stop 'Them' or little green men from alpha centauri from messing with our minds.
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@alan fraser said:
...doesn't mean that Bin Laden was framed...
...or that we should all go around wearing tinfoil hats to stop 'Them' or little green men from alpha centauri from messing with our minds.
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Frederik, Alan,
thankyou for telling your thoughts on this issue.
Anyone else likes to comment ?
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@alan fraser said:
Just because there are some civil engineering aspects that remain unanswered (because humans are fallible) doesn't mean that Bin Laden was framed, the NSA is the real culprit ...
I don't buy the conspiracy theories about the US government being behind the 9/11 attacks either. Bush is an evil twit in my opinion, but not this evil. As a president, the man was a school bully with near-infinite resources, not the second coming of Adolf H. Furthermore, 'they' (be it the NSA, or any other agency) could've never kept a ploy of this magnitude covered up.
And what could they've possibly gained?
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Thank you for the links Juan...
@unknownuser said:
...Just because there are some civil engineering aspects that remain unanswered...
Don't you underestimate engineering aspects? That people built it! They are the one to listen, not politicians
Its not "some civil engineering aspects", its nature lows that shows something is wrong. The building can not fall from the hit of an airplane like that. It is impossible. Which opinion do u respect more, an engineer, or the one that came from Bush?@unknownuser said:
...(because humans are fallible) doesn't mean that Bin Laden was framed, the NSA is the real culprit ...or that we should all go around wearing tinfoil hats to stop 'Them' or little green men from alpha centauri from messing with our minds.
That is exactly what "they" want you to think...Why don't they simply give strait answer about the building which was not hit by an airplane? Why? I am not wearing tinfoil hat because I am thinking, and asking questions...as a matter of fact, there is not much to think here, if only you want to...
The whole conspiracy thing was promoted so that thinking people afraid of being laughed off, like you just did...
Why is that video so "VHS" like? in the era of HD mobile phones? Is that regular evidence according to your low?
What about other photographs of him in the role of CIA agent than?
Why didn't they gave him a chance to defend himself?
Why they throw him in the sea?
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@srx said:
Why didn't they gave him a chance to defend himself?
Simply because capturing Bin Laden would've created a host of problems for Obama. Whatever they did with Bin Laden after he'd been captured, would've backfired. From Obama's perspective, the 'solution' used, was the least likely to cause serious problems.
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srx, why can't a building fall like that? Gravity acts directly downwards doesn't it? The only reason a building would fall sideways would be if it failed somewhere near the base but retained enough integrity on one side to act like a hinge.
The towers very clearly collapsed from the top downwards, pancaking as they went. There was no failure in the lower floors until they got hit by the ones from above.
You're just being condescending. No one would believe anything that came from the Bush camp...but far more engineers are satisfied that the 'official' account is somewhere close to the truth than those few that claim it was all a government conspiracy.Have you even begun to consider the practical implications of preparing building of that size for demolition?. Not just all the explosives I mentioned, but weakening the structure by effectively cutting through the stairwells and lift shafts every few floors, so that they didn't act like the hinge I mentioned. Exactly how do you do that in a WORLD trade center that's operating 24/7 without a single person noticing anything? How do you keep a secret of that magnitude FOREVER? Because it would have to be forever...no deathbed confessions allowed. Presidents are in the job for the power and to get into the history books. No one is going to want to go down as a mass murderer of his own people. Not even Bush.
But most of all...WHY? As an excuse to invade Afghanistan? If the US wants to send forces in anywhere, it just does so...be it Grenada or Somalia. It doesn't need to rip the heart out of one of its financial districts first. You are coming across as being extremely naive.
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@srx said:
Its not "some civil engineering aspects", its nature lows that shows something is wrong.
This isn't true...
New tests have shown that the the way the WTC was demolished is according to physic laws...
Go ahead... Try it yourself...@srx said:
The building can not fall from the hit of an airplane like that. It is impossible.
You're wrong, Saurus...
Others have prooven that the construction would fall apart, exactly like it happened on 911...@srx said:
Why is that video so "VHS" like? in the era of HD mobile phones?
Eehhh... HD mobile phones back in 2001...??
I suggest you check your records...@srx said:
What about other photographs of him in the role of CIA agent than?
I assume that you refer to the Soviet war in Afghanistan in 1979 to 1989...
What you forget is that OBL became extremely upset with the Americans because they didn't fulfill their obligations...@unknownuser said:
This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.
As a fanatic person from the Arab part of the world, he promissed to take an evil revenge...
Please check Wikipedia on OBL...
@srx said:
Why didn't they gave him a chance to defend himself?
There's nothing to defend...
Have you ever seen the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, where OBL abandoned his denials without retracting past statements. In it he stated he had personally directed the nineteen hijackers...
It would have been a charade if the US Gov had captured him and presented him in court...
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The only thing you - IMO - should raise a question about is, that OBL claimed that the Bush administration was warned about the 911 attack...
Not in details, but OBL claimed that US Intelligence had been warned that something "BIG" was going to happen...Please also remember that only one week after the 911 attack, a sick person Bruce Edwards Ivins - was also on a personal vendetta toward the US Gov...
Please read more about the Amerithrax...The New York Post and NBC News letters contained the following note:
@unknownuser said:
09-11-01 THIS IS NEXT TAKE PENACILIN NOW DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO ISRAEL ALLAH IS GREAT@unknownuser said:
09-11-01 YOU CAN NOT STOP US. WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX. YOU DIE NOW. ARE YOU AFRAID? DEATH TO AMERICA. DEATH TO ISRAEL. ALLAH IS GREAT.To begin with, US Intelligence thought al-Qaeda was also responsible for these attacks...
If I was the US Gov, I would have sticked to 'Amerithrax'...
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@juanv.soler said:
Frederik, Alan,
thankyou for telling your thoughts on this issue.
Anyone else likes to comment ?
cheersI saw George Galloway on that aefortruth site and I didn't give it anymore of my time.
I'd suggest you invest your energies in something more meaningful than this.
I couldn't care how OBL's story finally ended. Dead or alive he's gone. The OBL event is sensationalism and most people love that type of thing. After his death, it was 'let's see the pictures'! Just to satisfy public curiosity.
OBL ended up living in a shithole making threats to camera and dying his beard. He was a coward and a scoundrel. Now he's fish food.
As for that Mr.Gage fellow. He needs to return to his profession and not let such credentials go to waste.
[EDIT] I just noticed Fred didn't use a smiley in his reply. Time to duck for cover.....RTFM
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@srx said:
Thank you for the links Juan...
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Why didn't they gave him a chance to defend himself?
Why they throw him in the sea?
...IMO there is too much questions here...What defense is there? OBL incited the deaths of thousands. What could he say that he already hasn't said?
I'm all for a good conspiracy and I definitely question anything presented by our government as "fact", but in this case no matter what the guy on the street corner wearing sandwich boards rants about, 9/11 happened the way it did. Terrorists crashed aircraft into the WTC buildings and the buildings collapsed. Tens of thousands saw it happen, I saw the smoking buildings from 30,000 ft.
The burial question is answered. The last thing the world needs is a coffin carried through the streets with thousands for fanatics chanting "Death to America" and burning flags or a burial site to have a temple built on it only to become a center of anti-western hate.
As far as the US government conspiracy - our government is too inept to have pulled anything like this off. They've proven time and time again that they can't keep secrets - and that's generally a good thing - and they couldn't pull it off.
Feel free to disagree about that, but there's no proof by "loose change" or any other group that positively indicates otherwise, and arguing otherwise doesn't make a round world flat again.
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@frederik said:
The only thing you - IMO - should raise a question about is, that OBL claimed that the Bush administration was warned about the 911 attack...
Not in details, but OBL claimed that US Intelligence had been warned that something "BIG" was going to happen...Yeah. Never been quite sure what to make of this. Although a likely scenario is that, though warned, the US simply failed to advert the attacks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/19/terrorism.september11
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Thankyou people ,_) for sharing your thoughts here.
I do not have it clear. It is hard to me, to understand both towers collapse because of the hit of the planes. I, as well, give credit to the Architects and Civil Engineers who claim for a further investigation about it. Plus, there are a lot of questions unanswered yet, as has been pointed here, Building 7, why the CIA did not gave credit if Bin Landen warned about it, etc...Why such a hurry to invade other COUNTRIES and not clarifying first the facts ?
I do not know.
I understand the queries some people here talk about the danger of exposing now Bin Laden´ corpse, if that is true.
But, nevertheless,
if all the target of USA and sadly, most of Europe as well, is to lead the world towards Democracy and Human Rights the way they are doing, well, then ,we are not going to achieve it. That for me is clear.
Something smells bad like in one of Shakespeare´s writings.
this is FAR-WEST
And it is the 21 century.
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I also think that something is wrong here...but I never said it was US government.
I don't think that governments are making real decisions any more. They don't look too serious to me, more like
actors on TV (Regan, Arnold, ... ...I also don't think that terrorist are real treat to the WORLD. They have never been, except in movies (Die hard, Batman...)The real treat is slowly taking away our freedom with which we are loosing our human side.
Its good we have internet to discuss things...to open our eyes wide. To talk to each other...
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IMO the biggest problem we have these days is too much information. The 24 hour news cycle runs on ratings, and they need to find content, so instead of facts they offer opinion, lots of opinion, then there is the regurgitation of unchecked facts, catch phrasing and talking points.
Then we have the house and the senate that also run on ratings, having C-span recording everything that's happening, so what happens is the politicians do not want to be seen negotiating and compromising so they bandstand for their base, unwavering on there platforms, thus nothing gets done.
Thirdly we embed our media with the troops...really, you never going to win a war with the media showing everything to the nation/world.
just an opinion.
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@unknownuser said:
[EDIT] I just noticed Fred didn't use a smiley in his reply. Time to duck for cover.....RTFM
But you're right...
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Anyhoo. If further proof were needed that releasing photos of Bin Laden's corpse would be a complete waste of time you need look no further than this. And this, despite the fact that Al Qaeda admits he's dead.
People will believe what they want to believe. Never let the facts get in the way of a good rumour. -
http://www.corbettreport.com/the-last-word-on-osama-bin-laden-video/
I really don't know him, bit he's just spoken my words from this topic...
as well as the whole Pakistan. I bet it will be the next target. Look at the map.
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