The new Render[In] plugin

olishea · 7 Sept 2010, 11:44

Is anyone else getting faceted geometry for round smooth objects?

explode and regroup. works with most render apps.

tomsdesk · 7 Sept 2010, 19:45

This looks very interesting! Anybody know how it will affect other plug-ins like Twilight?

boofredlay · 7 Sept 2010, 21:59

Ross gave me permission to post this. I used his original rendered image and ran it through the Oil Painting setting in Fotosketcher. I tweaked the original image (within Fotosketcher as well) then played a bit with the Oil Painting settings to produce this image. It seems Render[in] and Fotosketcher are a nice match so far.

honoluludesktop · 7 Sept 2010, 22:01

@ross macintosh said:

At 3dBaseCamp Brigitta and Stephane noted that Abvent haven't set a price yet. They noted that how popular this public beta is will likely help determine the price. I took that to mean the more popular it looks to be the lower the price.

It does seem to be the kind of plugin that the vast majority of SketchUp users could use so I hope they'll be smart and give it a aggressively low price and make their profit from volume.

Hi Ross, Sad to say that generally, the forces of economics work the other way. Big supply, small demand is lower price. Because the supply is unlimited, the greater the demand, the higher the price. Sigh!!!!! If the cost to produce is too expensive to fit the demand, the product bellies up. Of course, in this case I would be happy to be wrong:-)

wyatt · 8 Sept 2010, 00:31

That is really nice. Good work, Ross and Eric!

EarthMover · 8 Sept 2010, 01:20

@olishea said:

@pixero said:

Is anyone else getting faceted geometry for round smooth objects?

explode and regroup. works with most render apps.

Doesn't work with Render(in).

My first impressions are that it's just plain okay. Not worth more than $50. Too limited in features (only beta though). Can't handle large models. Causes frequent crashes. Not suited for a 32-bit platform. No way to stop a render once it starts. Heavy on system resources. Autobump is less than desirable. Render times with AA turned on and medium radiosity quality, are fairly long. It renders smoothed geometry as faceted. Clouds are very cool though.

Again, it's beta, so hopefully there is some improvement before the release candidate.

Box · 8 Sept 2010, 06:24

Interesting that you would say "Not suited for a 32-bit platform."

The installer doesn't work on a 64 bit system,therefore making it uninstallable. They tell me a 64bit installer will be available soon.

FlapsyD · 8 Sept 2010, 08:40

@earthmover said:

@olishea said:

@pixero said:

Is anyone else getting faceted geometry for round smooth objects?

explode and regroup. works with most render apps.

Doesn't work with Render(in).

My first impressions are that it's just plain okay. Not worth more than $50. Too limited in features (only beta though). Can't handle large models. Causes frequent crashes. Not suited for a 32-bit platform. No way to stop a render once it starts. Heavy on system resources. Autobump is less than desirable. Render times with AA turned on and medium radiosity quality, are fairly long. It renders smoothed geometry as faceted. Clouds are very cool though.

Again, it's beta, so hopefully there is some improvement before the release candidate.

My first thougts exactly. Don't know about the 32-bits thing (I'm not into that stuff). Nice to have a quick render but the faceted geometry kind of turns down my enthousiasm.

I consider it a nice gimmick at this point since it's the free beta, but don't think i would pay for the beta-version as it is today. Nice as beta but they have still a long way to go.

In their defense: i found it very userfriendly = big pro especially for the hobbyists amongst us (like me) but don't think professionals would go for it right now.

At this point I guess I'll stick to KT (free, great forum and tutorials and off course with a huge variety of possibilities/tweaking ... but less userfriendly for newbies)

Flapsy

marvins_dad · 8 Sept 2010, 12:56

I got to say that I was looking forward to their demo, but it left me not wanting to spend the time to download and try it out.
When the answer to all the audiences questions (the typical ones that SU users would ask of any render program) the typical answer was, "Don't worry about it, it will work" instead of explaining why they understood the question and that it would be an issue they were working on...or if they didn't have the information that they would check into it.

They stated that there wasn't a problem with 32 bit because it somehow ran on the Artlantis engine outside of SketchUp at 64 bit, I'm not sure how that works, but that was their explanation to the question of the limits of 32 bit.

The clouds and change in day was about the only thing I noted as "Cool" in my notes.
Seemed like it had lots of limits to texture manipulation when compared to Twilight.

I was definitely under-impressed. The "real time" render was interesting, but I had just seen that feature in the Thea demo - so I am hoping that the real time render is a trend and products like Twilight might be featuring this in the future.

tomsdesk · 8 Sept 2010, 14:07

Does anybody who's installed this have Twilight installed as well? Any conflicts?

Pixero · 8 Sept 2010, 16:22

@tomsdesk said:

Does anybody who's installed this have Twilight installed as well? Any conflicts?

I have but it seems to work. I had some initial problem with the licence but that was resolved when I ran SU as Administrator first time.

david_h · 8 Sept 2010, 17:51

@ross macintosh said:

At 3dBaseCamp Brigitta and Stephane noted that Abvent haven't set a price yet. They noted that how popular this public beta is will likely help determine the price. I took that to mean the more popular it looks to be the lower the price.

I Was a little wary of this "explanation" as well.I hope they keep the price low. . .but Of course they may gouge the price just cuz they're French.

tomsdesk · 8 Sept 2010, 18:20

There's a post on the Render[In] forum that says it will be "under $200".

Jan...how about Twilight? That's the one I don't want to screw up!

Pixero · 8 Sept 2010, 19:09

@tomsdesk said:

There's a post on the Render[In] forum that says it will be "under $200".

Jan...how about Twilight? That's the one I don't want to screw up!

I have only tried it a little but so far I havent seen any problems.

Anssi · 8 Sept 2010, 19:17

@earthmover said:

@olishea said:

@pixero said:

Is anyone else getting faceted geometry for round smooth objects?

explode and regroup. works with most render apps.

Doesn't work with Render(in).

If Abvent uses the same terminology with Render(in) as with ArtLantis, the function is called "Merge Vertex". In ArtLantis it appears when you right-click on a material in their materials manager.

I would guess that the price ought to be somewhat cheaper than ArtLantis Render, that is in the same price class as SU Pro.

Anssi

Stu · 8 Sept 2010, 23:50

I have to agree with EarthMover on most points.....a bit buggy [understandable]...very easy to crash with a lot of Pngs loaded.....impossible to stop rendering... short of pulling the plug ......and I cant get any bumping to work.
It needs more control over light....the images are coming out a bit washed out.
But I do LOVE the sky and clouds settings...and it renders Pngs well [as long as there arent too many of them]
I cant imagine I would forsake Twilight for this...even a non buggy version....but it might give Podium a scare if the price is similar and with a roughly similar UI.
Tom...I havent tried Twilight recently....and I wouldnt be happy if there was any problem with this loaded.

marleus · 9 Sept 2010, 05:46

Works just fine for me....
the bump doesn't seem to have any effect, though

Some faceting is there (see the seat edge), but otherwise the images are ok.
The use is simple enough.
Hope the price will be on right level.
Could some more "infinite ground" types

and, yes, Twilight seems to work just fine.

arail1 · 9 Sept 2010, 14:40

Help!

I installed RenderIn, didn't like it so I uninstalled with RevoUninstaller.

Now, when I open SketchUp I get a splash screen asking for my RenderIn license number.
Obviously I don't want to see that every time I open SU so I went into Program Files and found a RenderIn file in Plugins.
I tried to delete it but it says I need permission but I have administrator permission on my computer.

So I moved it out of the Plugins folder to my desktop.

But doing that prevents SketchUp from opening - when I open I get a BugSplat screen.

So I moved the file back into the Plugins folder but now I get the license splash screen.

How do I get rid of this hateful little program?

Starling75 · 9 Sept 2010, 15:13

Really beta beta ..version.. 3 bugsplats during half an hour when trying to render few not very complex scenes

This is example of successful render

Elibjr · 9 Sept 2010, 16:51

@box said:

Interesting that you would say "Not suited for a 32-bit platform."

The installer doesn't work on a 64 bit system,therefore making it uninstallable. They tell me a 64bit installer will be available soon.

Hmm, that's intersting because I installed this on my system running Windows7 Pro64 just fine. I installed it in clean version of Sketchup 7 free folder and it worked perfectly after I put in the license for activation. Note: if you are having problems installing it, that could be because you don't have the latest Quicktime installed! This software uses that to generate the previews. I use Irender Nxt in my Sketchup 6 (which I run simultaneously) so I use my free 7 as a beta testing program. I wouldn't pay more than what anyone would for Twilight but I do like the environment settings. The water is really nice and I like the cloud editor. I took a 9MB Gacek model from the 3d Warehouse and rendered it with a nice sunset in less than 6 minutes. The original was 1800x1200. This was done with no processing. Landscapes with water are now possible with SketchUp now!