Layout and Snow Leopard

[Gaieus]

As far as I heard, other also have problems with Snow Leopard and LayOut (so you are not alone). I guess it will be fixed but (especially as a PC user) I cannot recommend a prompt fix right now.

[bjanzen]

We are working on fixes for about 3 issues, but we had to wait until the final shipping version was out. Here's what doesn't work:

1. Thumbnails for templates and for styles (in SketchUp Model Inspector) rendor not at all or incorrectly. I've observed a crash from repeatedly selecting one, but could never reproduce it. If you have a crash, could you copy the call stack (or get it from ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter and file a bug via the Help->Contact Us link in LayOut? Thanks.

2. Context menus are crashing. Workaround: try (it's hard, but really try) not to right click for a context menu in LayOut. This one crashes every time.

3. A console warning that's inconsequential.

We're currently testing fixes internally and will get them to you when we're confident in them. Let me know if any of these workarounds don't work for you, or if you've observed other issues that our Snow Leopard testing did not reveal. Thanks.

Barry

[Gaieus]

I found this link related to Snow Leopard and contextual menus. It "smells" a bit like advertising but explains some of the backgrounds maybe (note that I cannot make sure what's true in the Mac world as I use PC).

[wood_wench]

Down in FLAMES! is the best description for how Layout is working in Snow Leopard on my system.
Over the past couple of months I have had some significant crashing issues for SU pro9 but Layout has performed flawlessly - until now.
Layout opens, lets me create a new template and allowed for the importing of a SU file, but the moment an attempt to edit that SU occurs - ZAP! Layout closes. I even attempted to directly cut and paste a Sketchup model into Layout (an activity I have had success with before). The moment I "paste" Layout crashes. Hmmm! very annoying,

• sent Gaieus error code displayed for the crash.

[Gaieus]

And here is what Donna sent to me

Process;         LayOut [874]
Path;            /Applications/Google SketchUp 7/LayOut.app/Contents/MacOS/LayOut
Identifier;      com.google.LayOut
Version;         2.0 (2.0.10248)
Code Type;       X86 (Native)
Parent Process;  launchd [95]

Date/Time;       2009-09-02 22;13;20.864 -0400
OS Version;      Mac OS X 10.6 (10A432)
Report Version;  6

Interval Since Last Report;          4349 sec
Crashes Since Last Report;           1
Per-App Interval Since Last Report;  4344 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report;   1
Anonymous UUID;                      7E3A6577-5857-4E80-98AA-7F37DF02F0BB

Exception Type;  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes; KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000000c535728f
Crashed Thread;  0  Dispatch queue; com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed;  Dispatch queue; com.apple.main-thread
0   ???                                 0x0a030a73 0 + 167971443
1   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963ddf0d -[NSMenuItem _corePerformAction] + 435
2   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963ddbff -[NSCarbonMenuImpl performActionWithHighlightingForItemAtIndex;] + 174
3   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963ddaee -[NSMenu performActionForItemAtIndex;] + 65
4   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963ddaa1 -[NSMenu _internalPerformActionForItemAtIndex;] + 50
5   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963dda07 -[NSMenuItem _internalPerformActionThroughMenuIfPossible] + 97
6   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963dd94b -[NSCarbonMenuImpl _carbonCommandProcessEvent;handlerCallRef;] + 336
7   com.apple.AppKit                    0x963d2035 NSSLMMenuEventHandler + 404
8   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x97984129 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1567
9   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979833f0 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
10  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979a5a81 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
11  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979d1f3b SendHICommandEvent(unsigned long, HICommand const*, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned char, void const*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, OpaqueEventRef**) + 448
12  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979f6c1c SendMenuCommandWithContextAndModifiers + 66
13  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979f6bd1 SendMenuItemSelectedEvent + 121
14  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x979f6ad3 FinishMenuSelection(SelectionData*, MenuResult*, MenuResult*) + 152
15  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x97b77b7d PopUpMenuSelectCore(MenuData*, Point, double, Point, unsigned short, unsigned int, Rect const*, unsigned short, unsigned long, Rect const*, Rect const*, __CFString const*, OpaqueMenuRef**, unsigned short*) + 1773
16  com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x97b77ecb _HandlePopUpMenuSelection7 + 678
17  com.apple.AppKit                    0x96667192 _NSSLMPopUpCarbonMenu3 + 3937
18  com.apple.AppKit                    0x96667522 -[NSCarbonMenuImpl _popUpContextMenu;withEvent;forView;withFont;] + 220
19  com.apple.AppKit                    0x967df099 -[NSMenu _popUpContextMenu;withEvent;forView;withFont;] + 270
20  com.apple.AppKit                    0x967df138 -[NSMenu _popUpContextMenu;withEvent;forView;] + 63
21  com.google.LayOut                   0x00047030 0x1000 + 286768
22  com.google.LayOut                   0x000612e3 0x1000 + 393955
23  com.google.LayOut                   0x00075e99 0x1000 + 478873
24  com.google.LayOut                   0x0007d290 0x1000 + 508560
25  com.google.LayOut                   0x00015874 0x1000 + 84084
26  com.apple.AppKit                    0x964b4fc8 -[NSWindow sendEvent;] + 5548
27  com.apple.AppKit                    0x963cdbef -[NSApplication sendEvent;] + 6431
28  com.apple.AppKit                    0x9636165b -[NSApplication run] + 917
29  com.apple.AppKit                    0x96359695 NSApplicationMain + 574
30  com.google.LayOut                   0x00002d8e 0x1000 + 7566
31  com.google.LayOut                   0x00002cb5 0x1000 + 7349

Thread 1;  Dispatch queue; com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c910a kevent + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c9824 _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8ce1 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8a86 _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 234
4   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8511 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8356 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2;
0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940a28fa mach_msg_trap + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940a3067 mach_msg + 68
2   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x92cfedbf __CFRunLoopRun + 2447
3   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x92cfdd34 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x92cfdb61 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
5   com.apple.Foundation                0x974e2498 +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionReallyInternal) _resourceLoadLoop;] + 329
6   com.apple.Foundation                0x974a9964 -[NSThread main] + 45
7   com.apple.Foundation                0x974a9914 __NSThread__main__ + 1499
8   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940cffe1 _pthread_start + 345
9   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940cfe66 thread_start + 34

Thread 3;
0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c81a2 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8738 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8356 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 4;
0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c81a2 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8738 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x940c8356 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit);
 eax; 0x05333cbc  ebx; 0x963ddffe  ecx; 0x0a030a70  edx; 0x05335f10
 edi; 0x053386a0  esi; 0x0d0f7f60  ebp; 0xbfffe6e8  esp; 0xbfffe6bc
  ss; 0x0000001f  efl; 0x00010203  eip; 0x0a030a73   cs; 0x00000017
  ds; 0x0000001f   es; 0x0000001f   fs; 0x00000000   gs; 0x00000037
 cr2; 0xc535728f

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[bjanzen]

Yup, note "PopUpMenuSelectCore" in the stack... we're aware of this, are testing a solution and as I said, we couldn't release before Apple shipped. We'll try to get this in the hands of folks as soon as we're sure we're not going to cause other problems with a fix and make your life worse.

But for now, DON'T CONTEXT (RIGHT) CLICK ON SNOW LEOPARD IN LAYOUT.

There. Back to lowercase.

b

[RonanR]

Hi all,

Layout 2 works perfectly for me in SL...

Right / Context clicking works perfectly,
Rotating model works fine.

Thumbnails in Styles are a bit weird, but I never touch those.

I've been working on quite complex presentations pulling in images / pdfs / jpegs / SU files and have had very little problems... not more than the usual random crashes...

This morning, though, I repeatedly crashed LO by trying to move a layer onto another layer, but quickly found a workaround: cut it, pasted it it on new layer...

I'm on an iMac, SU Pro 7, LO 2...

[mkopstad]

We use SU+Layout a lot at my small office. (For architecture.) We made the mistake of installing Snow Leopard on all of our machines, which means Layout is now useless. This is slowing our work down by a lot. Looks like we'll have to go back to Leopard for the time being. I hope a fix isn't far away?!

[Gaieus]

I am almost pretty sure they are already working on something. When Leopard came out and caused major problems in SU, they made some fixes and released a new subversion just for the Mac within a couple of weeks.

It's still amazing however how a new OS can screw up applications (it was the same with Vista on PC when it came out totally unsupported by hardware drivers for instance)

[tim]

@mkopstad said:

We use SU+Layout a lot at my small office. (For architecture.) We made the mistake of installing Snow Leopard on all of our machines, which means Layout is now useless.

Never do this. If you have several machines and you depend on them for work, install any new upgrade or patch or fix or 'improvement' or new app on one and only one machine and then test it. Then, if you're confident it is ok, deploy to the rest of the machines. If you only have a single machine.... don't do that. By comparison to potential lost income a secondary spare machine is nothing.

[tim]

[quote="bjanzen
But for now, DON'T CONTEXT (RIGHT) CLICK ON SNOW LEOPARD IN LAYOUT.
/quote]

OK, is there any way to persuade LO to update from a changed SU file without using a context menu? I can't see one- not even by hooking up a shortcut key.

[Gaieus]

I know it's tedious but if you go to Document setup (wherever you open that window on the Mac - on PC it's under the File menu) > References > Update button (at the bottom) it does update it for me.

Maybe this can also be the way to find out how to set up the shortcut?

[tim]

@gaieus said:

I know it's tedious but if you go to Document setup {snip}

Ya, just stumbled across that. It certainly does the job OK, which solves the immediate problem. In the shortcuts listing you only get to open that dialogue though, not use any of it's commands. I imagine there might be a way to access it via Ruby but I'm not really interested in digging down there right now.

[Gaieus]

I'm n ot sure you can use ruby for LO U(at this point at least).

But I think the development team will soon find out something (this is always the case with new OS X issues).