Sketchup 7 Busted
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I can't make Sketchup work in XP or Wine.
In XP when I start it, I get 'OpenGL failed'.
In Wine when I try to install it I get:
Downloading files to "C:\windows\profiles\carl\VSD35a1.tmp"
(7/27/2009 3:56:19 PM) Downloading 'InstMSI\instmsiw.exe' from 'http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=37286' to 'C:\windows\profiles\carl\VSD35a1.tmp'
Download completed at 7/27/2009 3:56:33 PM
Verifying file integrity of C:\windows\profiles\carl\VSD35a1.tmp\InstMSI\instmsiw.exe
WinVerifyTrust returned 1
File not trustedMicrosoft doesn't even trust a file from its own site?!
Looks like the time I spent learning Sketchup was wasted.
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Hi Bill and (finally) welcome. As I said, I know nothing about these inside tricks of Windows and especially Linux but there are a couple of members here who run SU under Linux.
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What graphic card do you use?
Under XP, have you updated your drivers? -
@quantum said:
In XP when I start it, I get 'OpenGL failed'.
update your video driver resp. use a video crard which is fully OpenGL compatible (i.e. no shared video solutions as e.g. the Intel GMA series etc.).
@quantum said:
Microsoft doesn't even trust a file from its own site?!
MS probably doesn't trust a file which could not be verified in connection with Wine... which would not seem very surprisingly to me.
@quantum said:
Looks like the time I spent learning Sketchup was wasted.
Looks like the time you've spent trying to run SU on a system not conform to the official system requirements is wasted.
htc,
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The video driver is the latest stable nVidia driver available. (180) I have the 9300 IGP, which is not only OpenGL, but fully hardware accelerated for mpeg2 and h.264.
My only options are to run SU in VirtualBox XP, or in Wine. I am not switching any of my systems to Winduhs for any reason. I have the latest Guest Additions installed in VirtualBox, which is supposed to include OpenGL support. I don't know what more I could have done.
However I now find that in order to run SU 7 it is necessary to make two Registry modifications. This at least got SU working well enough for me to get out the information I very much needed. But I am very doubtful now about SU's reliability for future work; it really seriously let me down when I needed it the most.
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I use SketchUp with XP with no problems whatsoever, so it has nothing to do with XP.
I suspect there's a problem with your video driver. Try running SketchUp in software mode to see if that solves the problem.
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@quantum said:
9300 IGP
a shared/integrated graphics solution is surely fine for office/browsing/videos and maybe gaming but never a good choice for using in connection with a OpenGL based 3D modeler.
@quantum said:
which is not only OpenGL,
required is a video driver supporting the full OpenGL stack which doesn't mean OpenGL=yes/no... further information concerning this can be obtained from here.
@quantum said:
but fully hardware accelerated for mpeg2 and h.264
irrelevant for SU, great for youtube
@quantum said:
I am not switching any of my systems to Winduhs for any reason. ... But I am very doubtful now about SU's reliability for future work;...
ignoring system reqs. with claiming problems related to the violation of them at the same time seems not to be very clever to me.
anyway, if the usage of a specific os is more important than the compliance with the tools and apps required for getting the job done (= private use), just ignore this too.
good luck,
Norbert -
@sketch3d.de said:
a shared/integrated graphics solution is surely fine for office/browsing/videos and maybe gaming but never a good choice for using in connection with a OpenGL based 3D modeler.
@quantum said:
but fully hardware accelerated for mpeg2 and h.264
irrelevant for SU, great for youtube
This is not a shared video chip. It is IGP. Is SketchUp not intended to run on IGP? Then why isn't this noted in the System Requirements?!
And do you think I've bought my computer to only run SketchUp?
No sir. The tail does not wag the dog.@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
I am not switching any of my systems to Winduhs for any reason. ... But I am very doubtful now about SU's reliability for future work;...
ignoring system reqs. with claiming problems related to the violation of them at the same time seems not to be very clever to me.
Ignoring users' legitimate problems with SketchUp seems not to be very clever to me.
Do you think I am trapped or imprisoned by the time I've invested learning SketchUp? Think again.@sketch3d.de said:
good luck,
NorbertYou don't mean this.
The fact is, over a period of many months it has been necessary to make Registry modifications to get SketchUp to run in even the most rudimentary way. This is not tenable, and I can not understand why you are irrationally defending this.
I am not arguing anymore. I've gotten what I so badly needed out of it when it let me down, and it's time for me to look for a more Linux-based solution.
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No need to get angry with Norbert because 1) SU doesn't support Linux 2) it doesn't support integrated video cards (more exactly they don't support OpenGL fully). The two together may really cause problems.
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@quantum said:
This is not a shared video chip.
@quantum said:
It is IGP.
= Integrated Graphics Solution = shared graphics solution = low-end
@quantum said:
Is SketchUp not intended to run on IGP?
yes.
disable the OGL hardware acceleration in the SU settings if you wanna use the OGL in software computed by the CPU instead on the GPU... good enough for simple models, too lame for bigger models (depending on the CPU).
@quantum said:
Then why isn't this noted in the System Requirements?!
it is:
• 3D class Video Card with 512+ MB of memory or higher. Please ensure that the video card driver supports OpenGL version 1.5 or higher and up to date.SketchUp's performance relies heavily the graphics card driver and it's ability to support OpenGL 1.5 or higher. Historically, people have seen problems with ATI Radeon cards and Intel based cards with SketchUp. We don't recommend using these graphics cards with SketchUp at this time.@quantum said:
The tail does not wag the dog.
exactly, neither the os nor the gpu does wag the dog but the apps required to use.
@quantum said:
Ignoring users' legitimate problems with SketchUp seems not to be very clever to me.
legitimate outside the system reqs? obviously not!
@quantum said:
Do you think I am trapped or imprisoned by the time I've invested learning SketchUp?
no, I think that your are trapped by the missing of insight which reminds to a n00b.
@quantum said:
...it has been necessary to make Registry modifications to get SketchUp to run in even the most rudimentary way.
no registry tweaks are required to run SU w/o any probs in the environment it is made and released for, any usage outside the system reqs is obviously at own risk.
@quantum said:
why you are irrationally defending this.
of course, who else...
@quantum said:
it's time for me to look for a more Linux-based solution.
drop a note when found, am keen to see the replacement tail
that was easy,
Norbert -
@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
This is not a shared video chip.
What is that supposed to be? The References section for the GPU definition? That says nothing relevant.
And no, this chip is -not- shared. Don't you have any sense? There is no other GPU in this system.
@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
It is IGP.
= Integrated Graphics Solution = shared graphics solution = low-end
You clearly do not understand this chip, or are badly behind the times.
@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
Then why isn't this noted in the System Requirements?!
it is:
• 3D class Video Card with 512+ MB of memory or higher. Please ensure that the video card driver supports OpenGL version 1.5 or higher and up to date.Are you meaning to say that my IGP does not meet these specs?
Do you think that this is an ATI Radeon or an Intel based card?@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
...it has been necessary to make Registry modifications to get SketchUp to run in even the most rudimentary way.
no registry tweaks are required to run SU w/o any probs in the environment it is made and released for
Wrong.
@sketch3d.de said:
@quantum said:
it's time for me to look for a more Linux-based solution.
drop a note when found, am keen to see the replacement tail
Think I'm helping you, with this attitude? Think again.
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@quantum said:
That says nothing relevant.
of course, what do they know at all...
@unknownuser said:
Integrated graphics solutions, or shared graphics solutions are graphics processors that utilize a portion of a computer's system RAM rather than dedicated graphics memory. Computers with integrated graphics account for 90% of all PC shipments[6]. These solutions are cheaper to implement than dedicated graphics solutions, but are less capable.
@quantum said:
And no, this chip is -not- shared. Don't you have any sense? There is no other GPU in this system.
no, I do not have any non-sense
do you have read and understood anything of the links I have posted above? obviously not!
sharing means sharing the working/main memory with the system instead of using own, fast video memory as dedicated solutions do.
@quantum said:
You clearly do not understand this chip, or are badly behind the times.
of course, what else...
@quantum said:
Are you meaning to say that my IGP does not meet these specs?
at least in connection with Wine and the used driver:
@quantum said:
In XP when I start it, I get 'OpenGL failed'.
@quantum said:
Do you think that this is an ATI Radeon or an Intel based card?
no, why should I do this?
@quantum said:
Wrong.
right.
@quantum said:
Think I'm helping you, with this attitude? Think again.
not really... it was meant as a rhetoric question, I did not have expected an answer... simply because there is none.
've made my day, again
Norbert
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