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ely862me · 30 Jun 2009, 12:42

I think at that point Cornel misunderstood ..he thought that u(stinkie) said about reincarnation, but u were talking just about recycling of your body in the use of others people.
Have a nice day!Live in peace!

Elisei

alpro · 30 Jun 2009, 14:10

I really didn't want to get involved in this discussion but have to add my two cents just to see what kind of replys I get. Yes I'm a believer, no, not hard core, I won't quote any bible scriptures, and I do struggle with this issue sometimes which gets me looking at both sides. However it's always the science that seems to bring me back to my faith. Yes creatures evolve, its a survival mechanism to deal with changing enviroments but why are we the only creatures that have evolved to this point and how was it possible? Science even has a little problem explaining this.
"Using tools has been interpreted as a sign of intelligence, and it has been theorized that tool use may have stimulated certain aspects of human evolution—most notably the continued expansion of the human brain. Paleontology has yet to explain the expansion of this organ over millions of years despite being extremely demanding in terms of energy consumption. The brain of a modern human consumes about 20 watts (400 kilocalories per day), which is one fifth of the energy consumption of a human body."
My other point would be whether you're a believer or not, I don't see a problem living your life using the bible as a guide line, the ten commandments, loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, and so on, could make the world a better place.

Mike

sepo · 30 Jun 2009, 14:13

Man... I thought the answer was 42

Stinkie · 30 Jun 2009, 14:34

@alpro said:

My other point would be whether you're a believer or not, I don't see a problem living your life using the bible as a guide line, the ten commandments, loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, and so on, could make the world a better place.

Of course that isn't a problem. Some of my best friends are religious, and they use the Bible or the Koran as their guide. They are kind, compassionate people, and have the common sense not to take their 'holy book' too literally.

However, the past years -decades?- we've seen the numbers of people who DO take either the Bible or the Koran literally rise. And that IS a problem. A major problem, even. I am not afraid of my friends, you or, say, David or Eric - you're reasonable folks, with a sense of humour. I do firmly fear apparent fundamentalists like Cornel, though. They don't meet anyone in the middle, they don't compromise, they don't crack jokes. They merely subject or destroy.

david_h · 30 Jun 2009, 14:42

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"There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin."
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Linus Van Pelt

There is wisdom

Alan Fraser · 30 Jun 2009, 15:00

I’m quite happy to go along with that, Mike. It might not be the impression you get from some of my replies, but I actually sing in a church choir fairly regularly. There are some very good lessons in the Bible and some very good work done by the church and people who attend it.
What really annoys me are the Holy Joes like Cornel who tell me I’m going to Hell because I don’t subscribe to their own particular narrow interpretation of it. It’s a flawed document; there’s crude propaganda, ancient superstition and downright political spin in there along with the good stuff. It’s been edited to death and whole books omitted because they didn’t fit in with the politics of the time or certain arrogant churchmen decided that they sent a mixed message to the sheep.

If leading as good a life as you can, helping others less fortunate and generally treating others with respect and kindliness is all for nought because you haven’t spent half your life doing nothing but shout “Praise the Lord” in the hope it’ll get you onto the fast track through the Pearly Gates, then God has come up with a system that totally sucks…and I’m quite prepared to tell Him to his face.
I don’t for one moment think that is the case, however; and I’m not going to stand by and watch medieval superstition and ignorance take precedence over science and using the brains God gave us….even if He gave us them by a very indirect route.

alpro · 30 Jun 2009, 15:13

Stinkie and Alan, I agree with both of you. Almost everything, including religion, if taken to an extreme will not have the desired effect.

Mike

Stinkie · 30 Jun 2009, 18:37

@alpro said:

Stinkie and Alan, I agree with both of you. Almost everything, including religion, if taken to an extreme will not have the desired effect.

How 'bout we found a new one? Alan could be the Divine Being, given he's willing to wear Lederhösen. David H. can be Alan's Mother, if he fancies to.

off to mock up Sacred Scrolls

david_h · 30 Jun 2009, 18:41

@unknownuser said:

David H. can be Alan's Mother, if he fancies to.

Hey WOE! Woe! Woe! Where did that come from?

I dont even know what that means.

boofredlay · 30 Jun 2009, 18:43

So that begs the question... who would be the jester?

Saw this today and thought it appropriate

david_h · 30 Jun 2009, 18:46

Calvin is an unappreciated Genius.

Math Atheist? Matheist?

Hobbes: How are you unappreciated?
calvin: no one thinks Im a genius.

Alan Fraser · 30 Jun 2009, 19:05

This kind of Divine Being? No thanks.

I'll illustrate the sacred scrolls.

Stinkie · 30 Jun 2009, 19:56

@alan fraser said:

This kind of Divine Being? No thanks.

Nah, I was thinking toga and beard. You know, old school. None of that modern crap! Back to basics!

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

David H. can be Alan's Mother, if he fancies to.

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I dont even know what that means.

You get to wear a dress, and send God to his room if he's been naughty. Don't tell me you've never fantasised about that.