How to make this into a log cabin

Anthony · 11 Jan 2009, 02:59

Hi I've been looking at this for a couple of days now and it just occurred to me that if you cut the ends of the wall bauks from the end through the locking whole and on for another foot vertically and did the same to another but opposite then you could join two wall bauks and lock them together with the little blue ones, the same as you would with square timber.this is so simple it may have already have been brought up if not it adds a great deal to flexibility of design I'll try to add an attachment to show you what I mean but I'm new to all this so I may not have success.try

FenS · 11 Jan 2009, 10:56

Hi Anthony,

i emidately downloaded your test.skp and wow!
Nope, never thought of this and this might just be an extra feature that we might need!
In the past replies we recieved a lot of good options and if i have some more time to spare, i will combine all these options and hope to come up with (maybe not the initally intended log cabin) a cabin that might be an option.
This joint is something i didn't think of (i was thinking of cutting it in the middle of the gap and also using the blue ones.
The results might be the same but in your case it is not possible to move them anymore so probably a much better way.
Thanks!

Anthony · 11 Jan 2009, 17:26

Back Again I've been playing around with your logs and you may get some ideas from where I'm going with it, bear in mind i'm not a builder and I may run out of wood. All the wood thats there is whats left for me to play with except the one at the far end that I cut up to show you that if you make cuts in the right places and place the doors and window in certen places you can gane extra walls. however I don"t know if all the logs are of the same diametre. have a look anyway.

a lot less wood.skp

FenS · 11 Jan 2009, 18:24

Hi Anthony,

really impressive!
I think this really is the way we should be thinking!
(ofcourse this is with cutting the wood, the other solutions did not yet involve cutting, but in this way we could be getting the bigger house and if that involves cutting, i think this is what we should do.
I will also keep on thinking about these solutions,
thanks again!
(ofcourse thanks to everybody who is involved with this puzzle right now
(and indeed, all the logs are in the same diametre)

Anthony · 12 Jan 2009, 07:58

Hi Fred

I've decided to drop this design and start again the amount of red Bauks I have left leads me to think there's an extra outer small room or porch because of the two small bauks with 3 cutaways in them. I do believe that the builder is intended to make quite an number of cuts to the timber and the secret to this cabin will be in the amount of wast left over. however I'm happy now to know that there is enough timbre to make an entire cabin so I think it's complete minus the roof Because there is no actual roofing material and the type of roof is left up to the builder which is good because there are lots of different types of roofing ( While I'm on the subject of roof its also occurred to me that the heavy bauk ceiling beams may be for a second flore loft and the little window is for up there that is of course with a high pitched roof). Im trying to look at this as a classy little cabin and no log is sacred.

FenS · 12 Jan 2009, 08:54

Hi Anthony,

I am not that familiar with counting in SU yet so i had just printed your design and was counting the beams in the different walls to be sure how many leftovers there were.

I also was supprised about the amount of leftovers and was also going to think about what we could do with that. (but was wondering if that was really leftover or that you copied some beams instead of moving?)

for the people working in the shelter, i think a loft maybe would not really be suitable (carrying stuff up a stairs) so maybe an extra small room would be better (we have enough space in the shelter to find a place)

Really glad you are helping!

Anthony · 13 Jan 2009, 16:34

Hi Fred

Still can't think of how those multi notched bauks fit into the cabin but I had a little fun trying to get the biggest cabin I could with the available wood I had to add a couple of windows a concrete floor with a concrete rise that comes up the height of one bauk and of course there's no roof but its been fun pushing the brain around a bit.

I think I recall you said that animals would be kept in this cabin that's why I went for a concrete floor and riser so it would be easy to clean and more hygienic.

Have you found out any more about where or what country it was made in.
I've been looking around a bit and I saw a picture of a cabin that looked a good fit but there were no plans.

I'm new to skechup so this has been great for learning about groups and groups within groups and a lot of other features.

just for fun

FenS · 13 Jan 2009, 19:21

Hi Anthony,

ofcourse i emidiately downloaded your skp and wow again!
I still really appreciate all the help i already got from all the other sketchers, but i think we are going to call the cabin 'the Anthony'

We are the benches? Oh, in the Anthony!

This really looks great. And yes, we are probably going to keep some animals in the cabin, but that will be after castration/sterilisation and then they will be in benches recovering from anesthecia.
However, i think a concrete floor will be a good solution and in this case we can tell people to create a floor of the correct size so if we go there, we can built the cabin.

By the way,
are all the bauks outside the cabin really the leftovers that we can still use? (keeps me from counting all the beaks in the cabin itself and trying to find some proper use for them.

Oh yeah, the multi notched bauks normally (another volunteer said so) would be used as the second layer, for instance on top of balk-13.
That would be the case if you would use balk-09 as ground-beaks.
(see my very first picture in this thread on page 1, in that picture i forgot balk-13, but use balk-09 as ground beaks with a multi notched bauks on top of that).

And if we have all these blue bauks left, then we could use some of them like Ross did in his previous drawing so they support the roof.

Yep, really happy!

Anthony · 14 Jan 2009, 08:48

Hi Fred
Yes all the peaces left stacked are the left overs except the green one and the two light blue ones at the far end they are there just to represent that the two light blue ones can be joined to make one green however I'm sure that a better join could easily be made.

You said that some of the bauks have holes in them could you be more specific it may give more of a hint as to what they should be used for.

The more I look at the available wood the more convinced I am that there's a second floor.so even if we find the right way it may not be the way you finally build it

I love a good puzzle and this is one of the best.
starting enother one now lets see if I can get a large loft.

Talk soon

FenS · 14 Jan 2009, 11:19

Hi Anthony,

i've been puzzling with it for so long that i almost started to hate the cabin
i am really looking forward to building the cabin (but i know by now that this can only be done with a good plan. Otherwise we are all running around and since we only have a week and are always trying to do as much as we can, that would be a waste of time.

Anyway,
uhm, about the remark that some beaks have holes in them. Not quite sure where i said that but what i probably meant is to say that all the holes in the beaks/logs are already there.
So if you use the skp that i originally made, then you see all the holes that are available. I have drawn all the holes.

About the loft,
i told my wife that it might be possible that a loft could be created but that i thought that this might not be handy with climbing stairs and all, but she said that maybe it could be used for sleeping So don't let me stop you

Happy puzzling!

Anthony · 14 Jan 2009, 14:31

Yes Fred I can certainly see how you could get very frustrated with it, some things just don't seem to make sense at all and made even worse knowing that the correct plan would mean much less cutting and would go up in three or four days, minus site preparation, it sounds like your on a very tight schedule and even though a slab would be better it would eat up your allotted time.
How long before you go.
Ant

FenS · 14 Jan 2009, 17:48

Hi Ant,

well, basically, we go 2 times a year with as much volunteers as possible.
(a medical team and a team of 'handyman' (not sure what the correct english word is).
I ofcourse am a member of the last team.
We go in April and in September and both times about a week.
However, we also have to make shelter for the dogs, or move shelters to other places, repair locks or make new roofs so basically there is always a lot to do, and to little time to do it in (we also have to prepare the operationroom for the medical team and maybe we are even going to help in another shelter that needs more help (higher priority than building a cabin)
(and that's why i try to go with some volunteers some trips in between.
It is possible to tell them to make a concrete floor (that is something they can do if we tell them the correct size/coordinates) and if that one is ready when we arrive, then we can start building. (Hopefully in April, but it is also possible that we are going to move some big shelters and put the cabin in that empty spot).
I am (unfortunately not the one who is deciding that, i just grabbed this problem and am trying to solve it (with a lot of help by you and others)
However, if i can say that we have a possible solution and we know the sizes, than this could become part of our goals for the next trip maybe... I'm hopeful

By the way, a SU-plan of the shelter:
(still work in progress)
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=KK_cR76DjAo&feature=channel

Charlie__V · 16 Jan 2009, 02:31

Fred,
You mention counting the cabin components by what I understand to be manually.
Sketchup will give you the current model quantities for any given component by a simple right click and select entity info. (see attached)

Also attached is my third try with an alteration to balk-06.
You mentioned earlier it is possible that some of the logs may not be exact as to notches etc.
So I altered balk-06 to "fit"

I wish you all the best with this project, and have one small request...please post some pictures once the effort begins/finishes.

Charlie

Third...final...attempt

FenS · 16 Jan 2009, 08:05

Hi Charlie,

thanks for your help, and i sure will put the pictures in here once we start with this project (but that could be in April or in September (hopefully not the April after that).
I will take a look at your new skp, thanks for that!
(by the way, i did know about 'entity info', but i got the feeling that in some cases people made groups of there own, so they combined (for example) 6 logs from type 7 with 4 logs from type 8 and made this into a new object and i was not sure if SU would still count them a 6 and 4 logs or just as 1 new object. (pff, that sounds quite difficult

Anthony · 17 Jan 2009, 12:46

Hi Fred
Decided to download this to give you a look at how I think this cabin is surposed to be put together to some extent and unfortunatly if I'm right theres not the right amount of wood to build it as it was intended giveing you a 14 metre long cabin.
Don't bother counting the balks because I've added quite a few. I'm going to try and modify it so it works but this one requires no fancy cuting other than doors and windows.
You may have been down this road yourself it seems too fit.

a lot of wood but not enough.skp

FenS · 17 Jan 2009, 15:10

Hi Anthony,

always wondering if you have post a new one if i check this thread
Today i have spoken to one of the volunteers and as soon as possible 3 or 4 of us are going to meet somewhere and talk about the two shelters that we are helping and we are going to discuss what needs to be done first. (list of priorities) and then we are going to see how much time it will all cost so to decide what we can do in April and so on.
I am really glad that with all these kind of solutions i can show at least some possibilities of building the cabin (and if possible without fancy cutting, that would even be better (less time needed probably).
It should be possible to built the cabin within these days, it is just a matter of the other things that need to be done.
Thanks again for spending your time for this puzzle!

FenS · 18 Feb 2009, 20:05

Hi Anthony,

Still out there?
Wanted to post the following message in a PM, so i wouldn't bother the rest of the community again with my endless cabin, but the PM seems te stuck in the 'outbox', so i'll post it anyway. Sorry guys!

You helped me a lot some time ago with the cabin and in the beginning of March we (my wife and I) are going to the shelter to do some preparation and then in April a lot of us are going to help in the nuteringproject (?) (castration and sterilisation) of dogs and cats and education and about 4 or 5 of us are going to do the jobs in the shelter. Unfortunately this is a little group so we cannot do all that we wanted to do (we also were planning to do some jobs in another part of Bosnia but that will have to wait.
Anyways, the cabin will (I really hate this) not be created in april but i am planning a trip in July with some other people and now i am trying to manage that we put some concrete floot in the shelter in April, so that we can start building in July.
The cabin i liked very much, was your try 'a lot of wood max size' and i am still counting and drawing and calculating to be sure that this one can be build because if it can, then i can ask to create a concrete floor. Some minutes ago however, i heard how much it is going to cost to do that and that is a lot of money (for a volunteer foundation) so i am thinking about creating some kind of wall (only a couple of centimeters high) to put the cabin on (so no concrete inside the cabin).
And that could be possible if the beams that you put on the roof would go down and we use balk-05.
Pff, long story,
what i would want to ask (since you already helped me so much), could i ask you for some more help if i would be needing that?
(like which beams have you used in every wall (i am looking too ofcourse but some groups i cannot find the properties) and which one need to be cut in order to achieve that so i can tell the other people how much work we probably have to do and to figure out in what order we have to stack them)

And (and this is really bad), i am looking at your skp and start to wonder why the beam on the roofs are not in the middle and see that i made a mistake in one of the beams...
Beam-04 really is 4.20 (this is correct) but the hole in the middle really is in the middle (2.10), and not at 2.00.
Would this change your drawing?

I hope not, and i really hope that this year we can finish the cabin (and call it The Anthony)

regards,

Fred.