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Do humans have a free will?

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    chango70
    last edited by 31 Oct 2008, 09:46

    I thought he was a pretty wacky thinker. Here is a link relating to Rudolf Steiner.

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    Rudolf Steiner: Racist Esoteric Cult or Credible Educational Alternative?

    “An island like Great Britain swims in the sea and is held fast by the forces of the stars.” [Rudolf Steiner] Before I began my research in...

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      sorgesu
      last edited by 31 Oct 2008, 11:48

      Oy, are you guys still at this?

      The Lord is ONE,Cornel. Not 3 or 2. Orthodox jews cannot step into a church because they are only allowed to go to houses of worship where the beleivers are NOT monotheists. Strange as it may seem, that kind of only leaves a mosque open to them aside from synogogues. According to Jews, Christians are not monotheistic.
      Is that going to start another rant? Just an interesting aside.
      How about , God is None.

      Stop already.

      Susan Sorger
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        plot-paris
        last edited by 31 Oct 2008, 13:20

        I don't believe this theory of course (I don't believe in a personified God at all). but I liked the idea, that placing the god that we pray to, that we 'stay in contact with', is by no means the highest entity in this universe. 😄

        thanks for the link about Rudolf Steiner. quite some interesting bits in there.
        I myself visited a Waldorf School. And I have to say, that I was barely confronted with his weird theories - I learned pretty much the same as you do at state schools. but what I really liked was the amount of freedom we were granted. and I utterly enjoyed the creative approach, with loads of crafts and art classes (one of my favorites was iron forging).

        one big problem of course is the fact that there doesn't exist a controlling element, like with state schools, meaning, that each individual Waldorf School can do pretty much, what they want (if they go too far, they are excluded from the Waldorf School association of course).
        but that means, that you can find open minded and progressive schools; but if you happen to run across one of those dogmatic ones, who take Steiner literally instead of grasping the overall creative idea and translating it to the present time, it can be outrageous and highly dangerous (for the children, because they learn rubbish).

        as I said, I was lucky 😄 . and if I find a school that is modern and open minded enough, I will send my children there (once I've got 'em); not necessarily a Waldorf School, but one that has the same free thinking (as many school systems in northern Europe, like Sweden, have).

        oh, yes: and I loved our school building. because typical Waldorf Schools try to avoid right angles. therefore it was an adventure to explore our huge school building, because everything looked different - highly creative (and rather difficult to model in SketchUp 😉 )

        http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4541/waldorfschulewangengx7.jpg

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          cornel
          last edited by 31 Oct 2008, 13:46

          Jacob,
          Regarding R.S. “theory that in the hierarchy of heaven the chirstian god is only a rather unimportant little fellow”…,
          it’s explicable…:
          Rudolf Steiner’s god is a ‘limited edition’ one… !

          Susan,
          That “strange” religion behavior among Jews people it’s explicable, also…!
          For some Jews, The Messiah didn’t appear yet, because Jesus Christ wasn’t The King…
          Temporary, they are apparently right: Jesus was a Prophet, now He’s The Great Priest, but He didn’t carry out their expectation – to reign.
          They had (and have) preconceptions about God’s time 'schedule'…!

          At His ‘second coming’, Jesus Christ will be ‘The King of kings’.
          Then, “they shall look on Him, whom they pierced”… (John 19:37)

          Cornel

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            solo
            last edited by 31 Oct 2008, 17:13

            Cornel, a new book is about to be released, maybe a good read for you.

            Amazon.com

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              chango70
              last edited by 1 Nov 2008, 00:59

              @unknownuser said:

              Pete,
              I have a brief statement used to express a principle:
              “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

              Cornel

              Cornel

              How do you experience your religion? Why is the sacred a important part of your life? Do you think it should be the measure of all things? Where you born into Christianity or was it a late revelation? Did you ever question faith at any stage? I am genuinely curious.

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                cornel
                last edited by 1 Nov 2008, 01:16

                Pete,
                I have a brief statement used to express a principle:
                “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

                Cornel

                [P.S.: I check them, of course…, but having a guide like this one:
                “Do not love the world () or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world - the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life - is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:15-17)
                (
                Fot those who aren’t familial w/ The Word of God, “the world” means ‘world as a system’, not as a people…)]

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                  chango70
                  last edited by 1 Nov 2008, 23:33

                  @unknownuser said:

                  "Why are we here? How did we get here? What does life mean?"

                  These questions I've never trusted, as they all have a "hidden pretext" (hope this makes any sense 😄 ). For example: "why are we here?". The question sounds innocent enough, but it actually implies there must be a reason for us being here. It's only a small step to the concept of fate (predestination) from there. And to the concept of an intelligence (God) thinking it all up in advance.

                  I'm not doing a very good job on explaining this, I think. Any native English speaker feel like getting all Wittgensteinian on the above questions?

                  Stinkie I know exactly what you mean. Our language have evolved to accomodate linear causality to such an extent that there are words like WHY which is a particular nonsense word because it demands the answer to be a linear one while most problems are nonlinear (i.e. it can be in different number of states and produce vast number of outcomes) in the world we live in. People ask the wrong questions. More approperiate question would something like how or by what processes did we end up being the way we are.

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                    Mike Lucey
                    last edited by 2 Nov 2008, 03:40

                    Dan Dennett: A secular, scientific rebuttal to Rick Warren

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                    Sounds reasonable to me!

                    Just one thought! We supposedly have been created in God's likeness
                    according to the Bible! Would it not follow that we should actually
                    THINK about matters rather than simply follows various writings
                    regardless of their origin?

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