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    Alan Fraser
    last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 10:04

    I must say that I am less convinced about the human contribution to global warming than I used to be. Ice core and related studies have shown an exact correlation between global warming and increased CO2 levels going back many thousands of years.

    Unfortunately for many theorists, the results are back to front...the ambient temperature level actually preceded the CO2 increase by several hundred years. This is exactly what we are seeing now since the "mini Ice Age" of the 16th and 17th centuries. Think of the regular Ice Fairs that used to be held in London on a frozen River Thames. It's the increase in temperature that causes the rise in CO2, not the other way round.

    This is not to say that we shouldn't do our utmost to avoid pollution in general and atmospheric pollution in particular; and of course, trite though it may sound, much greater efforts ought to be made to deal with poverty, disease and malnutrition.

    Rather than slamming CERN, it would make far more difference to feeding the poorer nations if governments took action against the practices of companies like Monsanto in selling what is effectively sterile "Terminator" grain to 3rd world countries...grain that produces a sterile crop that farmers cannot set aside a portion of to use as seed corn for the following year...thus forcing them to keep coming back for more rather than standing on their own two feet.

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      linea
      last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 10:21

      @unknownuser said:

      This is not to say that we shouldn't do our utmost to avoid pollution in general and atmospheric pollution in particular; and of course, trite though it may sound, much greater efforts ought to be made to deal with poverty, disease and malnutrition.

      That is what I was trying to say, well put Alan.

      @unknownuser said:

      Rather than slamming CERN, it would make far more difference to feeding the poorer nations if governments took action against the practices of companies like Monsanto in selling what is effectively sterile "Terminator" grain to 3rd world countries...grain that produces a sterile crop that farmers cannot set aside a portion of to use as seed corn for the following year...thus forcing them to keep coming back for more rather than standing on their own two feet.

      They are doing this in Iraq too, Farmers are not allowed to store the original grain to plant again. Its all Monsanto from now on.

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        pmiller
        last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 14:57

        Alan,
        My fondest hope is that somehow the LHC's scientific discoveries will lead to a breakthrough that will in turn permit genetic engineering making all human stupidity painful. I can think of no greater benefit to mankind.

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          pav_3j
          last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 14:59

          it is rather ironic that stupidity is only painful for those not possesing it
          he he

          pav

          Just won the 'Who is Least Competitive Championships' where trying to win will make you lose. Trying to lose makes you win which makes you lose. Not trying at all makes you lose which makes you win which makes you lose.

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            Mr S
            last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 15:42

            Just to add to the mix somewhat...

            There are those who argue that money should not be wasted on these scientific experiments but should instead be spent on more worthy issues such as solving global climate change or ending world hunger. I am curious as to where this line of thinking goes.

            Presumably, these people want everyone in the world to have the same standard of life as experienced by those in the "first" world. It simply wouldn't work to just end hunger in those poor countries. Once that was achieved, they would then want the material benefits of the "first" world.

            That means everyone in China, India and Africa and other "third" world countries owning their own homes, cars and all the other modern technology available. That would involve the building and development of property, roads and a whole infrastructure on a scale the like of which the world has never seen before.

            Assuming you find this a desirable goal, what impact on global climate change do you think all this activity would have?

            I have always wondered whether those of a liberal disposition, who obviously have the best of intentions, have ever considered the end results?

            Of course, none of this will ever happen, for many reasons.

            A couple of reasons being:

            There simply is not enough arable soil on Earth to feed over 6 billion people.
            (Even including genetically modified food).
            There is not enough fresh drinking water for over 6 billion people.
            At the moment, there is not enough energy resources to meet the demands of 6 billion people.
            (There is going to be a struggle just to maintain the energy levels we have).

            All this warm fuzzy thinking about "world peace" and "ending hunger" is just that.
            Fuzzy thinking. It should be confined to beauty pageants.

            I'm afraid these issues are usually solved they way they have always been solved.
            By War, Famine or Disease.
            Not a pleasant thought I admit.

            Regards
            Mr S

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              Alan Fraser
              last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 15:44

              Paul, Pav 😄
              Personally, I'd just ban all warning labels and signs; and let nature take its course. Darwinism at its finest.

              Back on topic; just a couple of days left to catch this.
              http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dccnr

              or a rather shorter and more concise presntation at Monterey, here.
              http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html

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                ELYSIUM
                last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 16:54

                the CERN institute where the LHC is being built invented the World Wide Web, as a fastest method for sharing information with its scientists from around the world, working on LHC components. You are talking here thanks to the LHC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                I dare anyone to say that the web is useless.

                For another example breast cancer sensors came directly from particle collision research in the CERN
                How anyone can anyone think that nothing good will come of quantum physics research?!

                http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/About/Web-en.html

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                  JuanV.Soler
                  last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 18:32

                  Alan, the first link seems that it can only be seen in the United Kingdom.
                  any secrets ? 😄


                  BIG BANG MACHINE.JPG

                  ,))),

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                    Alan Fraser
                    last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 19:02

                    Sorry Juan. It seems you are out of luck. The second video is very informative though.

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                      JuanV.Soler
                      last edited by 11 Sept 2008, 19:08

                      it is.

                      ,))),

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                        pav_3j
                        last edited by 12 Sept 2008, 08:17

                        so have we concluded that the LHC is a good thing then?

                        pav

                        Just won the 'Who is Least Competitive Championships' where trying to win will make you lose. Trying to lose makes you win which makes you lose. Not trying at all makes you lose which makes you win which makes you lose.

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                          remus
                          last edited by 12 Sept 2008, 08:31

                          Probably not, but i still think its a jolly good idea, and a bit of brgain for what you get.

                          http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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                            juju
                            last edited by 14 Sept 2008, 20:26

                            Oooooh oooohh ooohh!! Look what I found, webcam footage!

                            Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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                              Gaieus
                              last edited by 15 Sept 2008, 06:27

                              🤣

                              Gai...

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                                MALAISE
                                last edited by 15 Sept 2008, 06:58

                                We (The Earth) are living for billions of years in the neighbourhood a huge black hole ( located in the
                                centre of our tiny galaxy...)

                                MALAISE

                                La Connaissance n'a de valeur que partagée

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                                  Gaieus
                                  last edited by 15 Sept 2008, 07:08

                                  I have a (rather tiny) black hole at home. In fact, there are two - my girlfriend also has one.

                                  Gai...

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                                    PeterCharles
                                    last edited by 15 Sept 2008, 19:21

                                    I understand that a black hole was created and that the entire Earth slipped into a parallel universe.
                                    This has been proved beyond doubt as the parallel universe is one where an England football team actually wins matches!

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                                      Paris
                                      last edited by 15 Sept 2008, 23:57

                                      The end will come if McCain/Palin win.

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                                        JuanV.Soler
                                        last edited by 16 Sept 2008, 05:47

                                        they would not. I hope.
                                        Is there any news about how is doing the experiment ?

                                        ,))),

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                                          remus
                                          last edited by 16 Sept 2008, 05:53

                                          Is that the election or the LHC juan?

                                          http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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