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    • K Offline
      kwistenbiebel
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      The funny thing is that EVERY ARCHITECT I know uses Sketchup Pro in some way in their workflow.
      Isn't that proof enough that Sketchup has something 'special' the others just don't have?

      The number of users is still growing by the day....
      Time to wake up now.

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      • Mike LuceyM Offline
        Mike Lucey
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        Guys,

        Don't loose heart, let's see what V7 brings. I'm sure
        we will all be pleasantly surprised 👍

        Mike

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        • Alan FraserA Offline
          Alan Fraser
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          This is called Lively, right....not SketchUp?
          Methinks there is a degree of hyperbole and extrapolation going on here that isn't altogether healthy. What's Lively got to do with SU other than the fact that they both involve 3D?
          The difference between Lively and Second Life is that it can be accessed from any browser, or even embedded in a website or blog...just like YouTube. It doesn't involve any installed software other than a small thingumajig to enable access. Any modelling or 3D editing is done online without the stuff ever leaving the server. How does this relate to SU?

          3D Figures
          Were you required to walk 500 miles? Were you advised to walk 500 more?
          You could be entitled to compensation. Call the Pro Claimers now!

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          • K Offline
            kwistenbiebel
            last edited by

            True.
            We need to be patient, but i also think people should speak up for their needs.

            Let us wait for what SU7 will bring.
            As you say, maybe we will be positively surprised.

            If only Google would provide us with a little clue on the development of the Pro version.

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            • K Offline
              kwistenbiebel
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              Point taken, Alan.
              We shouldn't jump to conclusions too soon about the future of SU.
              On the other hand, some sort of official newsletter about SU development wouldn't harm...
              Information is everything.

              Some people build their jobs around Sketchup.
              No need to say those people would be happy with a little official info.

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              • K Offline
                kwistenbiebel
                last edited by

                I am not willing to give up on Sketchup Pro yet.
                It is too god damn special !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                • L Offline
                  lewiswadsworth
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                  Alan, if you go through the Lively sites you can start to recognize the models from the 3D Warehouse. What do you think it was for? For years people have been talking about a Google "Second Life" competitor...I always assumed it wouldn't be retarded, though.

                  Do you know I get scolding mail from various architects suggesting I am a fraud because I teach SketchUp to architecture students? From random stranger-architects who find my class sites? I've had to add a couple of particularly obnoxious ones to my spam list. Who has the time to do things like that?

                  And I actually lost (or rather, was forcibly removed from) one particular teaching position, a studio, because I was willing to let my design students use SketchUp for their work. They fired me in the middle of the semester!

                  Geez, maybe my antagonists were right though. I always suspected I was a fraud for different reasons, but maybe SketchUp isjust a dead end.

                  We should start a final "alternative modeler" thread: "Now that SU is a toy, what application should we port our projects to?"

                  col sporcar si trova

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                  • david_hD Offline
                    david_h
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                    All the points mentioned above are excellent--We have no idea what is in Google's Central Aortic chamber (heart? 🤣 One thing you do have to give them is that they are flush with Cash and whatever they have in mind for SU they can certainly accomplish. I teach SU to design students as well and they all love it so the community grows and grows. I introduced it to my office here in SLC and now we are using it extensively as part of our work flow. It's a great tool.

                    Lewis . . .what kind of regime were you working under? that is unbelievable. you would think .. you would HOPE that design people would be the most open-minded and innovative thinkers and would realize the no matter what tools one uses. .. .SU, Max, Pencil and Paper of CHisel and Stone. . .DEsign is design is design.> What difference could it make. What a gang of thugs those guys must be.

                    If I make it look easy...It is probably easy

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                    • K Offline
                      kwistenbiebel
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                      Exactly David.
                      Sketchup is growing and still gaining more and more attention in pro environments.
                      I know architecture firms with over 60 architects in service that use sketchup trhoughout their whole workflow.

                      While Autodesk is screwing things up with over expensive yearly renewable licenses and everyone starts to realise that Sketchup just is 10 times faster and more productive than the dinosaur packages, the enormous potential of Sketchup should motivate Google to push SU a lot further.

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                      • soloS Offline
                        solo
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                        Just over a year ago I made a prediction over on the Podium forum about Google getting into virtual worlds, I believe I thought that MTv would also get involved in a big way.
                        I am not surprised by this nor inflamed, I actually just hope they do a good job at it and not half arsed like Second life.

                        You have to see it from the Google point of business, it makes sense and it is a huge avenue for advertising, now if SU is the vehicle that helps these 'Tweens' to build their virtual pads then be it, remember that the emphasis is on social networking not modeling.

                        Sketchup is too big and powerful (thanks to our coders) to be relegated to the Lego of the building industry, it is far too convenient and user friendly to be lost to frivolity.

                        I actually see an opportunity here, as if this does indeed grow to something that is huge I want a virtual store of cool architecture, props and vehicles that I can sell to the discerning user.

                        http://www.solos-art.com

                        If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                        • Alan FraserA Offline
                          Alan Fraser
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                          Let's hope that in V7 some credible amount of work has been put into distancing SU Free and SU Pro. I have seen some evidence of this. I'm not at all sure about the truckloads of cash. I believe that SU is still largely required to stand on its own two feet within Google...so they are still very dependent on the sales of SU Pro for their funding. Clearly, if that situation...and SU itself...is going to continue then moves have to be made to address the situations you describe, Lewis.

                          If SU does nose-dive in credibility amongst the professions, then SU Pro will fail and SU Free will follow...or at least will cease further development which amounts to the same thing. For that reason, common sense would dictate that a clear demarcation be made between the two versions.

                          I think the first big mistake was to allow SU Free to carry on the name and for commercial users to start having to use the name SU Pro. It ought to have been the other way around. We still ought to be using SketchUp and the free community ought to be using SU Lite, at best...if not something with a completely different name. There's no such confusion between 3DS Max and GMax.

                          Like Pete, I see possibilities in Lively. I don't think it's juvenile stage will last very long.

                          3D Figures
                          Were you required to walk 500 miles? Were you advised to walk 500 more?
                          You could be entitled to compensation. Call the Pro Claimers now!

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                          • daleD Offline
                            dale
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                            @lewiswadsworth said:

                            Most of the stranger-architects writing me about my crime in teaching SketchUp seem to be German, for some reason. Like I said, who has the time for that?
                            ?

                            Were any of them suggesting what design software you should be using Lewis?

                            Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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                              lewiswadsworth
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                              @dale said:

                              @lewiswadsworth said:

                              Most of the stranger-architects writing me about my crime in teaching SketchUp seem to be German, for some reason. Like I said, who has the time for that?
                              ?

                              Were any of them suggesting what design software you should be using Lewis?

                              Rhino, mainly. Ironically enough, I also teach a course in Rhino...I've been using it 7 years, and SU only 6. Rhino's interface is clunkier for designpurposes, though considerably more precise and capable as amaker of models. But for some reason the distinction is lost on most architects I try to explain that to. I'm becoming tired of trying to explain it.

                              I should try to find that email where I tried to explain this to a former schoolmate of mine in Gehry's office! I think she has decided I'm an idiot now, beneath the notice of such exalted professionals.

                              Hmmm...I've noticed more Google team watching this thread.

                              col sporcar si trova

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                              • K Offline
                                kwistenbiebel
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                                Actually Lewis, I can understand you very well.
                                In the Photreal Render community, Sketchup is laughed at as well, while it can be as productive as any other big modeler when used in a high end render engine combo (like Vray and Maxwell).

                                Some people feel easily threatened by the power such a small app can have.
                                I can remember me being mocked at on the Fry render forum, just for being a SU user.
                                Lately, things turned around a bit, and Sketchup work does get appreciated on that forum.
                                It even sped up the development of the Sketchup2Fry plugin which is now up to par with the other host apps.

                                The thing is that with sketchup you can model a design and show off photoreal output (SU-render engine combo) of a complete project within a couple of days.
                                While the dinosaur packages would take weeks to do the exact same job. THAT is why Sketchup is so threatening to the old school 3D community .
                                They just hate the fact that ,having invested a lot of time and resources into their dinosaur apps, someone can do a better and faster job with a low cost easy-to-use application.

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                                • L Offline
                                  lewiswadsworth
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                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  Lewis . . .what kind of regime were you working under? that is unbelievable. you would think .. you would HOPE that design people would be the most open-minded and innovative thinkers and would realize the no matter what tools one uses. .. .SU, Max, Pencil and Paper of CHisel and Stone. . .DEsign is design is design.> What difference could it make. What a gang of thugs those guys must be.

                                  I don't want to end up completely unemployed, so I will have to write you a PM about which school fired me, David. Being fired from a studio is a "blacklisting" capital crime, you know, even if it is for silly reasons. I'll never get another job as a studio critic again, anywhere. All because I supported SU as a design tool!

                                  But I can tell you that at the GSD (Harvard's school--where I do not teach, for a number of reasons...I doubt they would have me as a Yalie even if I didn't use SU), SketchUp is software non grata. I had this job with a minor starchitect high in hierarchy there...nothing he was doing required NURBS modeling or even BIM, and certainly the students he hired from his studio had zero competence at either. But to model his big project and produce his publication renderings (and not be harassed about how I was doing it) I had to alter SU's screen colors to resemble Rhino's. Since no one there really knew what Rhino was other than it was suitable for architecture (as SU wasn't), I could get the job done in crash time.

                                  I could actually have just done it in Rhino, but it would have taken four months and not three, of course. Worse interface--although McNeel, unlike Google, has actively updated and improved their software since then.

                                  Most of the stranger-architects writing me about my crime in teaching SketchUp seem to be German, for some reason. Like I said, who has the time for that?

                                  And seeing SU devolve into a content creation tool for things like Lively is going to change their minds?

                                  col sporcar si trova

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                                  • plot-parisP Offline
                                    plot-paris
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                                    you know, from the moment on, when some company sells (affordable) 3D simulation suites with 3D glasses and contact simulation (so that you can actually see and touch things), I will be using 2Live or Lively.

                                    because then I can really go there and meet all of you. 😄

                                    just imagine how much fun it is to sit in a huge SCF Corner Bar, where everyone is allowed to design the place, whenever he likes.
                                    all these people of every part of the world, wearing freaky avatars, creating chairs out of thin air and then sitting on it, creating a circle arround FredBartels who is drawing some beautyful sculptures... 😍

                                    but before that I am definitely not interested in these simulations... 😎

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                                    • david_hD Offline
                                      david_h
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                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      I don't want to end up completely unemployed, so I will have to write you a PM about which school fired me, David. Being fired from a studio is a "blacklisting" capital crime, you know, even if it is for silly reasons. I'll never get another job as a studio critic again, anywhere. All because I supported SU as a design tool!

                                      Actually I do get it. I have heard reports of Univeristies firing language, philosophy and PolySci Profs for not being PC enuff, or denying tenure for not being in step with that schools line of thinking. . . .Ironic isn't it? Mostly political "conservatives" getting booted from "liberal" instituions. Free thought is good as long as its their "free thought" i guess. I am not ranting about Conservs vs. liberals. . . just pointing out the irony.

                                      If I make it look easy...It is probably easy

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                                      • StinkieS Offline
                                        Stinkie
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                                        @lewiswadsworth said:

                                        @dale said:

                                        @lewiswadsworth said:

                                        Hmmm...I've noticed more Google team watching this thread.

                                        I hope them Google boys realise they've got a diamond in their hands. A diamond in the rough, but nevertheless. If they find a way to relieve SU's poly limit, and add some functionalities (I'm sure everyone here's got their own list), I'm absolutely certain SU will take the 3D world by storm.

                                        Frankly, I cannot fathom they don't know.

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                                        • plot-parisP Offline
                                          plot-paris
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                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          I hope them Google boys realise they've got a diamond in their hands.

                                          hear, hear, stinkie!

                                          (but I would rahter say, a beautyful, shining "Ruby" 😄 )

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                                          • S Offline
                                            Stu
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                                            Once upon a time I was wary about admitting what 3D software I was using for fear of letting the cat out of the bag......these days it is just out of embarrasment.....who is going to admit to their clients they are using BratzUp?...."Eh, yes, the same software they are using for the Lively stuff..hehe...blush......but it's good though...."

                                            SketchUp!!!.....the software best used from a plain brown paper bag!!

                                            😢 [bawl actually]

                                            http://www.landesign.com.au

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